USMNT Transfer Watch - Movers and Shakers

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Eleven Bravo, Jan 11, 2021.

  1. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Where does Tolkin go... who can afford him, biggest transfer ever on a fullback didn't exactly work out here

     
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  2. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    Like I've been saying, though. We had 12iah players contributing significantly to teams in the top 4 leagues this year. We could double that this year.

    B Aaronson promotion to EPL.
    Koleosho - promo to EPL.
    P Aaronson - back to Frankfurt
    Benja - transfer to Spurs or Juve
    Campbell - rumored BL interest
    Banks - more PT at Augsburg or move to Roma
    Mathias Albert debut at Dormund
    Klinsmann - move to BL or Serie A
    Tillman -move to BL or EPL
    Scott - playing time at Lecce
    Brown, Downs, Chase announce switch.
    Luna -Euro transfer
    Yow- maybe?
    Akinmboni and/orEyestone debut?
     
  3. comoesa

    comoesa Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Christen Press's armpit
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #4578 comoesa, May 13, 2025
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    He's used to playing with talented guys at least. Seems like a possible Gold cup guy if it's going to be an MLS affair.
     
  4. HScoach13

    HScoach13 Member+

    Nov 30, 2016
    Club:
    Atlanta
    I don't believe it.
     
  5. HScoach13

    HScoach13 Member+

    Nov 30, 2016
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Koleosho - promo to EPL! He has had a grand total of 179 minutes of play for Burnley since the new year with no reported injuries. This kid will not be playing in the Prem's.
     
  6. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
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  7. theboogeyman

    theboogeyman Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    I think Cremaschiโ€™s work rate and physicality (when combined with his creativity) give him a higher ceiling than McGlynn but I generally agree. I could see him doing well at one of the better (but not top) Dutch or Belgian clubs but Iโ€™m not sure theyโ€™d pay better than heโ€™d get in mls.

    Gutierrez is the player I think is really underestimated by a lot of folks.

     
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  8. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gutierrez also a player name checked by Adams in terms of who he is impressed with in camp from the last window.
     
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  9. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    There's a little bit of an inferiority complex when it comes to our MLS players. All of Cremaschi, McGlynn, Gutierrez, Luna, etc. can play in Europe.

    There's the issue of who can pay them what the MLS clubs are paying them. And who, in 2025, can afford the transfer fee. When people say "Oh, Brian Gutierrez can play in Belgium!!!" They're right. He sure can. Take a look at what Brian Gutierrez is paid versus the players on most Belgian clubs. Take a look at what transfer fees most Belgian clubs pay.

    Who's paid more? Brian Gutierrez or Griffin Yow? Check it out. It ain't even close. Brian Gutierrez by an absolute mile. Why would Brian Gutierrez go to Belgium? Only the biggest of clubs could get him, and he'd be one of the highest paid players on the team.
     
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  10. HScoach13

    HScoach13 Member+

    Nov 30, 2016
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Higher pay does not equate to a better player. Pulisic or Wes could come back to MLS and get paid higher than big players in Europe does that mean they are better than the those players? Your argument also goes to the root of why the Mexican National team does not have many players in Europe. Liga MX is pricing the players out of transfers to Europe and in all probablitity stiffling player growth.
     
  11. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    I've noticed most people assume things stay the same which they don't. There's an improvement in MLS this year from last. It's not just one thing. Even the example of Galaxy shows how much MLS improved: You can't just take people willy-nilly off a team under the accountant's direction unless you want to set new records for futility.

    The 35 yr old legend from Europe isn't saving anybody anymore. The playmaker role isn't as important anymore with the new generation of players who can contribute more in the creative goal scoring department. Shield leaders Vancouver don't have a trad 10; nor does LAFC. When he interviewed Poch, Valeri commented that MLS was a league for the "10" and Poch agreed. Yes, it may still be but less so now than before and the direction is clear enough to see. Other players are becoming more aware.

    I'll be glad to see the back of our current European Bronze generation. Character doesn't change much and Berhalter's selection just was not a team with the personality to do anything major in a WC. We need new players with a new way of playing. Turn the apple cart over and make sure to cull the rot.
     
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  12. eagercolin

    eagercolin Member+

    Metro
    United States
    Aug 25, 2017
    Buffalo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Higher pay doesn't necessarily mean a player is better, but it does mean that he's harder to acquire. People who scoff at Cremeschi to Juve rumors (or whatever) should understand that increasingly those are the only sorts of teams that can afford to buy any but the youngest US players. Most of European soccer is puny, broke, shambolic, dying, etc.
     
  13. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think you're jumping to conclusions about Miami. They lost two matches to Vancouver and conceded 4 goals to Dallas and Minnesota. But they also hammered the Red Bulls last week and they've only lost twice in 11 MLS games.
     
  14. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Cremaschi holds an Italian passport, which makes him attractive to European clubs.
    So does McGlynn (Ireland).

    Today's rumor is Ben Cremaschi to Venezia.
    [Which presumably would be contingent upon them staying up.]

    I saw a recent column indicating his transfer fee will likely be in the 10 million dollar range. That's the Brenden Aaronson, Caleb Wiley, etc. range. Maybe north of that if a bidding war starts. That limits his potential destinations.
     
  15. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They might get $10 million including add-ons.
     
  16. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    No, I'm not thinking about Miami other than as one board in the floor. Like I said, it's not one thing. I mean, Giroud can't get p.t. at LAFC and Reuss can't save Galaxy any more. Vancouver are fine without their best player, Gauld, who is supposed to be their creative type, I believe? There's just a lot more skilled American players in MLS these days and better skills inevitably mean better tactics, in time.
     
  17. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    I think Italy realizes that it has lost a lot of ground in the past 20 years when the EPL went hard after the global/American marketplace. They're trying to correct course partly with American players. Which is great for us. I almost always watch AC games nowadays.

    As far as MLS, there's kind of a choice here: do they keep selling top Americans, or top anybody, to the Euro leagues? If we could wave a wand and bring back the top 50 North Americans players, would that improve the league enough to support the NT?
     
  18. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think they're signing American players for marketing purposes. European leagues don't work like that. Pulisic and Weah were astute pickups from bigger clubs (currently, not in the past). Juventus tried their best to get rid of McKennie.
     
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  19. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

    United States
    Mar 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The MLS has to be the league with the largest jump in quality over the past 5 or so years. I recall the days when the quality was so much lower than top 5 Europe (even Liga MX for that matter)... but now I would much rather watch a random MLS game than most of the leagues outside the top 5. Yes, some of that is related to the number of young US players but I also love that there is less of a disparity between the best clubs and the worst ones. I also think the pay scale is getting to the point where we may actually see some of our best USMNT players in the future never crossing the pond to apply their trade. If the MLS could rank around #5 in world league rankings consistently then I think more and more U14 athletes would choose to stick with soccer rather than choosing football, baseball or basketball. <fingers-crossed>
     
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  20. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Yes, it's far too late now and American players won't do it, but we absolutely are seeing sales and acquisitions based on this idea. Bryan Reynolds, cough, cough.

    The Top 50 North American players? I think quite a few of those probably already play in MLS (and LigaMX).

    But to answer your question, no on several levels.

    For one, making personnel decisions based on nationality doesn't improve a league; those kind of restrictions distort any kind of market and inevitably make it worse. It's not like MLS teams are actively avoiding Americans -- it's more that overpaying to acquire or retain them is a bad idea.

    MLS is improving. Players are going to try Europe. Some will come back and some already want to stay. There will be more and more as it pays more and gains more legitimacy. But these things take time -- attempting to rush it really won't work, and if you were to rush it, you wouldn't start with Americans, you'd do what they are doing. You start with those that build credibility and overpaying to keep domestic talent home doesn't actually do that.

    It's also important to note that MLS fanbases by and large don't give a shit about if a player is American. I mean, they like the local kid in Jordan Morris, but there's a reason the league let Jozy and Michael go to Toronto. The fanbases are very comfortable rooting for Diego Valeri or Miguel Almiron or whomever. Christian Pulisic would be a star because he's a star -- you don't see a rooting group for Indiana Vassilev in Philly.

    And since most of them do very well in attendance, I think the idea that a team should break the bank for Weston McKennie, hoping he has a big World Cup to draw in casuals is reasonably met with skepticism.
     
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  21. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Who knows? All depends who and how many bidders there are.

    There are these players that go for a lot more than expected due to that competition. Bryan Reynolds, for instance. Remember when Fabrizio Romano quoted a Euro scout as saying Reynolds was a "Trent Alexander-Arnold starter kit?" :) That hasn't happened.

    10 million these days isn't a heck of a lot.
    You can't buy a garden hose in Europe for 10 million.

    Cremaschi is under contract thru 2027. An actual young and fit player in a sea of geriatrics.
     
  22. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ledezma... nothing

     
  23. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Two days later:
     
  24. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    the mls pay structure actively hurts our development.
     
  25. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why do people overthink this. Look at other leagues outside the top 4. The elite move up the pyramid to highest levels of competition. The rest donโ€™t.

    Top of the pyramid is where most with that ability want to go.

    Across sports.

    Not complicated.
     

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