USMNT Transfer Watch - Movers and Shakers

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  1. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    From whoscored
    29 +5 appearances in Serie
    #1 in assists
    #5 in tackles pg
    #4 in key passes PG
    #7 in XG
    #7 in overall rating

    That's not a bad season at a top 15 European giant.
     
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  2. juveeer

    juveeer Member+

    Aug 3, 2006
    Maybe not. If he sticks with these salary demands, he may have trouble finding a club:



    https://www.footitalia.com/mckennies-salary-demands-pose-challenge-for-juventus-transfer-plans/
     
  3. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
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  4. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  5. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Sure, but this happens all the time.

    His options will be to stay at Juve and rot. Or go to another club that wants him at a slightly lower salary than his initial demand. Some place like Fiorentina. It'll get done. It'll be fine.

    This type of thing happens all the time here in the states in the NFL, NBA, MLB, etc. Right now in the NFL, a whole bunch of players are threatening to hold out of training camp unless they get new contracts with higher salaries. By the time the season starts, things are dealt with. You either deal with it, or you don't play.
     
  6. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Yeah, there are a couple of interesting ones from Bogert in there.

     
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  7. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    With McKennie, I just saw an interview with Fabrizio Romano yesterday where he stated he wanted to be clear that it was not McKennie's salary demands that ended the deal with Villa, but some internal issue between McKennie and Juve. Not sure what it is but seems like some push back on deals failing due to McKennie demanding too much salary.
     
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  8. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've wondered if there was some movement of money into the future that Juve now wants to ignore.
     
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  9. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Exit clause?
     
  10. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    I saw something unsourced about a possible disagreement over a severance package but have no idea what the real issue is.
     
  11. 6 ft. Leprechaun

    Dec 9, 2003
    Baltimore, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Whatever it is, Weston is to blame for his failure to take advantage of a clear exit from an apparent dead end job at Juventus. If his salary demands were too high, that's on him. If it was a case of Juventus not honoring an agreement, then he should have left and then hired an attorney to fight it out with Juventus, AFTER moving to Villa.
     
  12. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In Italy? It would drag on for at least 10 years.
     
  13. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Appeals processes in Italy usually take about ten years.
     
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  14. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    True. The Italian government is Uber tremendous pressure from the EU to accelerate it's criminal process. Arrest to trial takes about 18 months and it can be the same again to get to sentencing. That is the criminal system. The civil system is low priority and only 10% of cases are settled out of court compared to 70% in the US.
     
  15. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    With the McKennie thing, I suspect a lot of these reports about salary demands and whatnot are complete hearsay.

    Conjecture in European gossip rags and people in the states believing it.

    This will get worked out with Wes. He can either stay at Juve and not play (seemingly) or go somewhere else and play.
     
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  16. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fabrizio Romano said in his podcast the other day the Aston Villa move falling apart had nothing to do with salary demands and was more about disagreement between Juventus and McKennie regarding the details of the transfer (which I think specifically would be what fee he would be due since it was a player swap).
     
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  17. PhilipVU94

    PhilipVU94 Member

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Jul 6, 2024
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My casual, uninformed observation is that the clubs overrate their own power when they attempt this coup de force of announcing someone has no future there.

    A player might "rot" (receive full salary for a year and have to arrange their own training ad hoc to stay in shape) for a year. That's bad for the player's career, absolutely, but it's seems catastrophic for the club. They still pay the salary while his residual transfer value decreases to zero.

    If the player's agent knows or cares about game theory, they have a huge incentive to wait out a pretty decent offer with little or no loss of salary. I agree this probably gets resolved with a small loss of salary at most, because Wes has less incentive to give up ground than Juve does.
     
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  18. PhilipVU94

    PhilipVU94 Member

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Jul 6, 2024
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Management will always have someone to take their side vs. Labor, apparently. Why is Weston "to blame" for unwillingness to save Juve from setting money on fire? They signed a contract and stand to lose a lot by letting it expire in 2025.

    Not that we know all the facts but even if we did....
     
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  19. 6 ft. Leprechaun

    Dec 9, 2003
    Baltimore, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Weston is responsible for his own career choices. It's been made clear to him by the coach he's not in their plans and won't be playing. If he decided not to move to Villa in order to force Juventus to honor an agreement knowing that he won't be playing for a year, in the prime of his career.....that's on him.
     
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  20. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    It's Weston's career and Weston's decision. If the exit wasn't worth giving up money he had already negotiated for -- and that's what it likely was given how Juve has been acting -- then there's no blame. It's his choice.

    The same is true even if it was a salary demand.
     
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  21. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    When PSV declined their option on Dest, people freaked out. Which was silly, because Sergiño had one year left on his contract and is hurt.

    PSV knew they could come back with a much lower offer and even get Barca to pay part of this year's salary because their alternative was literally nothing.

    Juventus signed McKennie to a contract at his current salary. Just because there's a coaching change doesn't mean McKennie has to not get paid.
     
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  22. PhilipVU94

    PhilipVU94 Member

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Jul 6, 2024
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah... it's inherent in any negotiation that either side can opt for the BATNA and walk away. And sure, Weston and his agent own that decision and so does Juve. Sometimes in poker you misassess the opponent as reasonable; as much as this is predictable, it's your job to predict the irrationality.

    It's the idea of blame that I find very anti-labor in the big picture, as though employees under contract should take whatever crumbs they're given in place of expecting said contract to be honored.
     
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  23. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    #3048 nobody, Aug 1, 2024
    Last edited: Aug 1, 2024
    Wes has to deal with however it shakes out of course. But I don't have any interest in blaming and shaming him for whatever choices he makes, and professional sports teams are not exactly known for being generous and totally honest to players they want to be rid of. No reason to think he has to be taken advantage of and taken to task for not towing the line of the team looking to get free of him as cheaply as possible after signing him to a longer-term contract and making promises.
     
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  24. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's true. The worst that can happen is that he stays at Juve and fights for his place...or worse, goes back to Leeds.
     
  25. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    That was the word I was reacting to as well.

    The idea that Wes should accept whatever crap Juve tosses him because he should blindly chase the first offer of playing time no matter how much he's getting screwed financially (even after a very good season which doesn't matter so much as make it worse) ... it's just fan entitlement.
     

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