USMNT: The Berhalter Era pt. 1/ World Cup 2022 /Controversy

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  1. Kyle Crew

    Kyle Crew Member+

    Feb 23, 2013
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Does Pulisic start over Etienne?
     
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  2. Kyle Crew

    Kyle Crew Member+

    Feb 23, 2013
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When at Dortmund, there was a year he had the most tackles in the attacking third of any player in Europe’s top 5 leagues. Yeah, you read that right, he was a high pressing machine. He did this while playing right wing.

    Quite simply, he’s not ‘the man’. He’s not Batman, he’s Robin. I also don’t think he’s a leader.

    I think Pulisic is important, but he shouldn’t be the focal point.

    I think someone like Aaronson has the potential to be a focal point and leader. Musah isn’t afraid to handle the ball in midfield, he is more important in moving the ball forward than Pulisic.
     
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  3. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #2478 Bill Archer, Sep 28, 2022
    Last edited: Sep 28, 2022
    It's all nonsense. A ridiculous waste of time.

    Every cycle we spend 4 years convincing ourselves that the US has all these briliant young players, and then when its time to produce they fall flat on their faces. Yet we are sure that THIS year will be different.

    Heres a hint: it wont be.

    In 2022 the USMNT has played seven teams that will be in Qatar. Not only have they won only once (Morocco) they have been SHUT OUT six of the seven. The only team they scored against was, again, Morocco.

    Theyve now gone 400+ minutes without scoring. Against the Japanese they didn`t even have a shot on goal.

    They are shitty, they are going to stink up the place in Qatar and the US will once again drag their sorry butts home, hire a new coach and start talking about how, in 2026, a new crop of brilliant young players will lead us to glory.

    Anyone who thinks differently is delusional.
     
  4. jairadballerina

    jairadballerina Member+

    Sep 15, 2004
    C-Town
    England is also going through a similar spell of results and "They Still Suck" mentality around the team. My guess is it's a coin flip for which team gets their sh!t together and makes it out of the group...the other team implodes and fires their manager.
     
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  5. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just to be clear, US Soccer hires coaches for a specific, defined tournament cycle. This is true from the U-16's through the senior nationals, men and women both.

    So in truth, whenever the US 2022 WC campaign ends, be it with either an elimination or, 30 days later, with them winning the Cup, Berhalter's contract will expire.

    So technically he won't be fired no matter what happens. They may or may not offer him a new contract but that's not exactly the same thing.
     
  6. the_rickler

    the_rickler Member+

    Feb 9, 2013
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    Columbus Crew
    Not a chance.
     
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  7. YITBOS

    YITBOS Member+

    Jul 2, 2001
    1.3 hours from CCS
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Forget that. If we selected Random Fan of the week to be head coach, we would have better odds of beating Detroit, Dayton, and Cincy for some hardware.
     
  8. west ham sandwich

    Feb 26, 2007
    C-bus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I get what you're saying. I'm not saying I think this team is going to win the cup this year or in 2026. But i do think we have more talent than ever. They do have other issues seemingly holding them back. 2002 had a much shallower talent pool, but I would pick that team over this one.

    History says we get out of the group; US stinks it up at World Cups in Europe and advances when not in Europe. I'm not sure why that is. I also think we have about as good of a draw as one could ask for. There is no reason they can't win the group. Of course, that may play to their ego and they could fall flat on their face.
     
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  9. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Member+

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    Eh, England has better players and are probably looking at the US as their "get right" game.
     
  10. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That said, and I do not disagree, our talent level is far above what it was when we hosted the World Cup and MLS started. Light years ahead.
     
  11. Kyle Crew

    Kyle Crew Member+

    Feb 23, 2013
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Things are better than 30 years ago. Ok, cool.
     
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  12. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, when kids of guys who went over to play in the big European leagues back then are also now playing there, that's a step in the right direction.
     
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  13. speedye1

    speedye1 Member+

    Dec 31, 2002
    Are we surprised one of, if not the youngest team heading to the world cup plays inconsistent as a group? We have never had near this level of talent, but they are green. It will be fun to watch, but I won't lose any sleep on results. Going in with low expectations and getting experience for 2026. I need to start saving money for 2026.
     
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  14. Crewster

    Crewster Member+

    Jan 28, 2005
    Worthington
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You only said that after Porter was hired. Prior to that, you said that Portland won the 2015 MLS Cup because Porter was a better coach than Berhalter.
     
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  15. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

    A.S. Roma
    Mar 27, 2001
    Zone 14
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    Columbus Crew
    This is also true. Sports are very complicated, Crewster. Lots of ins, lots of outs, lots of what have yous. Lotsa strains in hangthadj's head.
     
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  16. Crew96Fan

    Crew96Fan Member+

    Jul 27, 2013
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The 26 Man Roster - Based on who I think makes the plane. Added bold for who I would take if it was me making that decision.

    GK (3)
    1. Matt Turner
    2. Zach Steffen
    3. Ethan Horvath
    DEF (8)
    1. Sergino Dest
    2. Antonee Robinson
    3. Walker Zimmerman
    4. Chris Richards
    5. Aaron Long
    6. Deandre Yedlin
    7. Joe Scally
    8. Mark McKenzie (Tim Ream if my team)
    MID (7)
    1. Weston McKennie
    2. Yunus Musah
    3. Tyler Adams
    4. Kellyn Acosta
    5. Malik Tillman
    6. Luca De La Torre
    7. Christian Roldan (Djordje Mihailovic if my team)
    FWD (8)
    1. Christian Pulisic
    2. Tim Weah
    3. Gio Reyna
    4. Brenden Aaronson
    5. Jesus Ferreira
    6. Jordan Pefok
    7. Josh Sargent
    8. Paul Arriola
     
  17. the_rickler

    the_rickler Member+

    Feb 9, 2013
    Club:
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    Those kids are also getting signed by much more prestigious clubs than ever before. For some to say that these kids aren’t more talented than in the past is disingenuous.
     
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  18. Kyle Crew

    Kyle Crew Member+

    Feb 23, 2013
    Columbus, Ohio
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    Columbus Crew
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    United States
    If Mark McKenzie makes this team GB should be denied entry at customs and deported upon arrival in Qatar, and then fired upon arrival back in the US.
     
  19. TKyle

    TKyle Moderator
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    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Dec 28, 2014
    Nordecke’s Porch
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
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    United States
    Reggie Cannon if healthy in place of Joe Scally.

    Sean Johnson instead of Ethan Horvath, unless Horvath magically gets more playing time at Luton Town. Unless Zak can’t get healthy, in which case both Johnson and Horvath sit the bench watching Turner.

    Otherwise I agree with your picks.
     
  20. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Scally is starting and getting regular time with what appears to be a decent side this season (I'm still not sure how good we are, but the Leipzig win was impressive). But he may be a player for the next cycle.
     
  21. zman31

    zman31 Member+

    May 5, 1999
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The entire team is made up of players for the next cycle. That's part of the problem. We have basically zero guys in the 25-28 age range.
     
  22. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    He's a player for this Cup because he's one of our best backs. We fall into this trap of believing our players need to be integrated to the team or need experience while forgetting they are playing on a high level every week.
     
  23. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    The problem is we have a group of guys who have the energy and desire to play a young man's game and a coach who wants to play a tedious, possession for the sake of possession style.
     
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  24. CybrSlydr

    CybrSlydr Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Jun 30, 2013
    Casper, WY
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I just can't muster any enthusiasm or desire to watch this team at this world cup.
     
  25. zman31

    zman31 Member+

    May 5, 1999
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is both true and a totally separate issue. Berhalter is a major part of the problem, no doubt.

    The fact that we don't have any 25-29 year old players in the top 15-20 most talented field players eligible for the USA is a travesty. The Wil Trapp generation of players have zero representation on the National Team. It seems so improbable.

    The fact that our full national team is basically an Olympic eligible team very much hurts us. It's a reason to be hopeful for 2026. I would be a lot more hopeful for the here and now if Berhalter were not the coach as I think the collection of players we have is no where near being more than the sum of the parts.
     
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