USMNT Player Lockout

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by TarHeels17, Oct 17, 2019.

  1. TarHeels17

    TarHeels17 Member+

    Jan 10, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pros:
    1. It allows the players to set a list of demands that can be made public. One of the worst things that could happen is for Berhalter to be fired as a scapegoat and then the USSF not making any changes. In the case of a lockout, the players, and the fans, can demand change and refuse to provide any service until changes are made. We need a complete reworking of the organization with all outside hires and people who actually care about the future of US Soccer being put in place. Then the media will have to start talking about those points or they'll get crucified with the federation.

    2. Every player that actually deserves a USMNT call up can afford to ignore the monetary benefits earned by playing for them. This isn't the USWNT where they need to play for the team for their income. Our top 23 all does pretty well for themselves.

    3. Everyone can stop going along with this sh*t because everything will *probably* be alright even if we don't change anything. The federation has been coasting by, raking in the cash while the inevitable surge in the popularity of soccer makes them look like they're helping when in reality they're impeding all progress.

    4. This will make mainstream news, and there's nothing that could destroy the USSF more than actually being brought up in normal conversation between average Americans. Their corruption slides by because it's too complicated to explain to the average sports fan in normal conversation, but when their nepotism and incompetence is the beginning of the conversation, their names will be known across America.

    5. We get to watch Berhalter coach a bunch of MLS scrubs that don't deserve anything near a call up, and I think there'd be nothing funnier than being forced to coach awful players and losing to crappy nations while literally no one watches. We can all finally stop watching the team that we've been saying we'd stop supporting but been unable to cut off because there's always the off-chance Pulisic has the game of his life or Sargent scores his breaking out goal or something like that.

    Cons:
    1. World Cup qualifying isn't too far away, and it would suck if a guy like Christian has to miss his 2nd World Cup in a row. Hopefully things change before that.

    2. The Olympics are coming up, and I was really hoping to watch our U23s send an extremely strong side. I'm not sure how that'd work with a lockout, though.

    Other than that, I don't see much downside. I'm done with the USSF. This is insanity. I refuse to let these guys in the USSF ride the coattails of a new generation of players that deserve much better. Our country should have the best-ran federation in the world, not one of the worst.
     
  2. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    Seriously? You think players are going to refuse to play and submit a list of demands that will completely rework USSF and get the coach fired? Dream on.
     
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  3. TarHeels17

    TarHeels17 Member+

    Jan 10, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What do the players have to lose? I don't see why it's such a radical idea.
     
  4. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    My respect. And that doesn't mean I don't think things are bad right now and Beerholder isn't doing a crap job.
     
  5. Cubanlix63

    Cubanlix63 Member+

    AFC Ajax
    Feb 19, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Players will strike for things like players not getting paid or if they are practicing in a way that is unsafe. Not for something like this.
     
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  6. Mahtzo1

    Mahtzo1 Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    So Cal
    I have a feeling you mean walkout? Management is the one that locks out.
     
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  7. wixson7

    wixson7 Member+

    May 12, 2009
    boulder
    adorable.
     
  8. TarHeels17

    TarHeels17 Member+

    Jan 10, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I get that it's cute, but how else do you expect anything to change? US Soccer is more of a cash cow than MLS is. They literally could not do any work for the next 20 years and still make a nice living. Something has to be done.
     
  9. TarHeels17

    TarHeels17 Member+

    Jan 10, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, a player strike. Didn't realize that.
     
  10. Chastaen

    Chastaen Member+

    Alavés
    Jul 9, 2004
    Winnipeg
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #10 Chastaen, Oct 19, 2019
    Last edited: Oct 19, 2019

    1. Soccer in the US wont ever recover. What a silly idea. The US Men are facing apathy and Women's soccer isnt self sufficient.

    You want to kill soccer in the US? Do this.
     
  11. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Member+

    Jul 11, 2006
    They can do what Bradley did and go on strike in 2014 and see if anyone notices.
     
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  12. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Asking for a competent coach = killing US Soccer.

    Makes sense.
     
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  13. Chastaen

    Chastaen Member+

    Alavés
    Jul 9, 2004
    Winnipeg
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Asking? No, but the post isnt asking. Be honest and dont move the goalposts..k?
     
  14. Cubanlix63

    Cubanlix63 Member+

    AFC Ajax
    Feb 19, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    The public rarely sides with players when they strike and that is when they are striking for good reasons. And the job would become a lot less desirable for future coaches.
     
  15. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    I don't think a public "walkout" would be more effective than a private one (similar to the one that Bradley tried to lead vs. Klinsmann). In other words, they can exert pressure directly to Earnie or Cordeiro and use "injury" or "concentrate on solidifying my club roster spot" as rationale for missing games.

    That being said, I don't see obvious evidence that Berhalter has lost the locker room at this point but the public is usually the last to know. There was some random tweet but didn't seem corroborated by anyone substantive.
     
  16. TOAzer

    TOAzer Member+

    The Man With No Club
    May 29, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What is killing US Soccer are the people who "lead" US Soccer. It wasn't the crew in the boiler room who killed the Titanic, it was the idiot owners of the company and their lackey captain. If the crew in the boiler room had said enough is enough, and refused to charge full steam ahead in pursuit of some ephemeral time record, it would have prevented the end of that ship.
    Just because we have become habituated to a bunch of corrupt bastards sucking the life out of US Soccer doesn't mean that they aren't sucking the life out of US Soccer.
     
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  17. wixson7

    wixson7 Member+

    May 12, 2009
    boulder
    some of the blame has to go to the iceberg, no?

    not to mention humans inability to breathe under water and handle cold temperatures.....so you can really say lack of evolution and adaptation is the real culprit here...
     
  18. ipass

    ipass Member

    Jan 2, 2015
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    So, do any of you cynics have a better idea on what to do as the US faces the distinct possibility of not qualifying again? (And anybody who thinks that won't happen, probably thinks global warming is a hoax and the earth is flat.) I'm not watching any more USMNT games until that start winning consistently. I'm fine with the Premier League and greatly looking forward to the Euros. I might even watch the MLS Final...though not live.
     
  19. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    Oh, and you're not cynical?
     
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  20. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Berhalter has 0 wins against Top-50 teams, and they've looked bad each time.

    That's factual, not cynical.
     
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  21. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    How many top 50 teams are on our path to qualification?
     
  22. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    respectfully, ebbro, that’s the wrong question.

    we are a nation that had one of the world’s longest streaks of making the world cup and not so long ago, many BS posters expected us to make it to the World Cup knock-out round even when facing Germany, Ghana and Portugal.

    lowering the standard to just qualifying is a huge step backwards even acknowledging that we didn’t do it in 2018.
     
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  23. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    Don't get me wrong. I'm not happy with GGG. Just pointing out it's also cynical to think we won't qualify and to refuse to watch until we start winning while calling the rest of us cynics.
     
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  24. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    cant argue with that.

    I’m very much against lowering our expectations and that irrespective of Berhalter - we should expect to make the World Cup, finish no worse than second in concacaf and get points at home vs Mexico and Costa Rica. World Cup expectation are draw dependent.
     
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  25. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Possibly 3. CR, MEX, and CAN (depending on how they do in NL).

    Certainly, you could say that Canada has the roster of a top 50 team, even if they've been held back by historically poor play.

    The real issue with that stat is, while we may not be facing good teams after CR (aging out, trending down), Canada (young, trending up), and Mexico, we WILL and DO struggle against teams away from home.

    Last cycle we got zero wins. We struggled for ties, got smoked in CR, lost in Cuova, and escaped with ties to Panama/Honduras.

    Top-50 wins at home can be indicators that we'll beat 60-70th ranked teams away in CONCACAF. Our record has been dismal instead, despite better fields and friendlier confines than traditional CONCACAF road games.
     

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