USL to implement promotion and relegation

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  1. owian

    owian Member+

    Liverpool FC, San Diego FC
    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This has a a lot more to do with the popularity of the Prem, and by extension English football in the US vs the Italian, German, or Spanish leagues (outside of Barca, Real). And some of us do keep half an eye on the relegation fights in those leagues if there is a compelling club involved. I've been keeping half an eye on St. Pauli this season in Germany. Same with Sevilla in Spain.

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  2. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    Yes, it shows that pro/rel in itself isn’t some mass driver of interest, there are other factors at play.

    I trust you also object to the claim that “ no one cares about the MLS playoffs?”
     
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  3. BOSNAINTER

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    krajina
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Feb 17, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Bosnia-Herzegovina
    If MLS wants to use play offs use the quantity that championship or Segundo uses 4 teams and that is it serie b is crazy with 8 teams
     
  4. STR1

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    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid


    A lot of delusional points. A few facts. Preparing the excuse of "USSF is in bed with MLS and they are conspiring against USL to be a D1 because they don't want to bend the rules".
     
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  5. owian

    owian Member+

    Liverpool FC, San Diego FC
    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm assuming fans of teams in the playoffs care about the playoffs (hoping that will be me come october) same as fans of clubs involved in either promotion or relegation care about that.
     
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    krajina
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Feb 17, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Bosnia-Herzegovina
    honestly dd anybody know that concaf CL is on and face of mls was playing i just found out that it was from msn.com site lol
     
  7. STR1

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    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Yes, many people knew about it. Even that game was followed closely in Mexico because it determines whether the final is in Mexico or Miami. Just cause you don't know shit doesn't mean other people don't know either.

    I don't know what's happening in the Bosnia league does that mean no one cares about it?
     
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  8. STR1

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    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid

    This needs its own thread. Will have plenty of material in the coming years.

     
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    krajina
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Feb 17, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Bosnia-Herzegovina
    Why you guys so scared of pro/rel is it because it would be new take on sport structure in america
     
  10. STR1

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    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Who said anyone was scared?
     
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  11. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
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    It’s not even some miraculous new concept, it’s pretty much a dynamic similar to playoffs with a bit more weight applied to the prize or penalty. No one is scared, some are skeptical as far as pro/rel in the U.S. being able to ignite a huge new level of interest. Because at the end of the day you’re still selling the niche product of domestic soccer.
     
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  12. STR1

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    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Asking fans why they are scared of ProRel as if its our money lol. The ones that should be scared and concerned are the ones putting up the money. Which they are. Otherwise they would've done this years ago without thinking about it too much.
     
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    krajina
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Feb 17, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Bosnia-Herzegovina
    Lol so that is a difference between world and usa in world they count trophies in usa they count money and that is like 80-20 in importance trophy money that is why MLS is just we come for experience
     
  14. STR1

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    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Sure, in the rest of the world they count trophies. Money for them is irrelevant. It just grows on trees.
     
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  15. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Milpitas, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This “USA loves money, Europe loves trophies” myth is painfully naive and honestly kind of embarrassing. Both sides are obsessed with cash—European soccer’s a huge money pit, with Premier League clubs raking in billions from TV deals. And if it's not giant TV deals, it's billionaire owners propping up teams to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.

    Promotion/relegation has nothing to do with trophies or fan engagement. It’s a system that slaps underperforming clubs with relegation’s financial abyss while giving overachievers a temporary leg up. It doesn’t make winning titles easier; it just dangles a “merit” fairy tale that billionaire owners love because it keeps fans hooked. Europeans tend to swoon over the romance of a plucky minnow rising, but let’s not kid ourselves—those “minnows” who climb and stay, like RB Leipzig or Hoffenheim, aren't sustained by fan passion, but instead by Red Bull/SAP money respectively. And with no spending cap (another American invention oft-lampooned), Europe’s pyramids tilt massively toward the richest teams.

    The “promise” of pro/rel is mostly fantasy. It won’t turn a six-month-old MLS club into a storied, 120-year-old giant. It won’t spike interest—when American teams tank, most fans ditch them, pro/rel or not. Small-market clubs like FC Cincinnati or New Mexico United aren’t morphing into LA Galaxy-sized powerhouses just by climbing a league. Pro/rel’s sold as this meritocratic savior, but it’s just a slicker hustle, money still talks just as loudly with as without.
     
  16. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not to mention--plenty of youth and adult amateur leagues have been using pro/rel for decades. It's not as if the format is unknown here.
     
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  17. xbhaskarx

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    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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  18. owian

    owian Member+

    Liverpool FC, San Diego FC
    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It is at a professional level or any level that has more than a few friends and family watching. I don't know if it's going to work or if it is going to change the US soccer landscape but this is a new thing. A fully professional league on TV is different then a bunch of people in a park.

    Hey can you make a pie with all the cherry picking you are doing? Shocked you didn't pull out Wrexham too.

    You can like or not like pro/rel but the reality is it does generate stories and narratives. And does given an opportunity for the sport to determine who is in what league.
     
  19. STR1

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    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Is it story telling and narratives that drive interest of soccer in the US or is it quality?
     
  20. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bosnia is only a couple years older than MLS, I guess it has no history either.
     
  21. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The willful irony of posting these words on this message board is spectacular.
     
  22. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS has 5 billion dollar clubs.

    Spain has 3. Germany has 2. France has 1. Italy has 3. Bosnia & Herzegovina has none.

    We can all wish the world were different, but it isn’t. Any dipshit criticizing MLS’ business acumen should be mocked.
     
  23. owian

    owian Member+

    Liverpool FC, San Diego FC
    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes ... That's the thing about professional spectator sports. People like it for a variety of reasons and getting that alchemy right is difficult. The more hooks you give someone to watch and follow the better.

    Not entirely sure how pro/rel is related to the quality of play though. Not sure why you can't have both.
     
  24. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The relegation fight in the EPL was a tremendous story this season. So tremendous in fact, it's been over for many weeks now.
     
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  25. owian

    owian Member+

    Liverpool FC, San Diego FC
    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Okay it's sports what are you asking for the WWE? Should we give quadruple points on the last day to keep it alive. Maybe have a playoff were more than half the league qualifies.

    Yep this years relegation battle was pretty much decided by February. And guess what it was noticed. It was a detriment to the league as a whole. This weekend would be more interesting if the Everton-Soton or Ipswich-Leicester matches had things riding on them.

    So imagine if this was every season? League wouldn't be as interesting.
     
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