USL to implement promotion and relegation

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  1. Paulo_84

    Paulo_84 New Member

    Benfica
    Portugal
    Mar 28, 2026
    I don’t think I share the same philosophy as Peter Witt, because I’m not in favor of an open system with multiple leagues operating at the same level. For example, I’m against proposals like a new 32-club Division 3 league, and I’m also against parallel top-tier attempts like NISA or similar initiatives.

    In my view, MLS and USL should remain the main professional league operators at different levels, but with more cooperation—such as a shared senior cup and integrated development and youth competitions. Below that, other operators should focus on building a unified national structure at tiers 5–6 with full, proper seasons rather than fragmented or short formats.

    That last point is fundamental: without clearer guidance and stronger coordination from USSF and USASA, allowing multiple overlapping leagues at those levels will keep the base unstable and undefined. If the US truly wants to raise its level and compete more consistently with Europe, that structural foundation has also to be stabilized.

    My vision can be summarized as follow:
    US Men's (Senior) Soccer Pyramid
    July-May calendar year

    Core principle:
    One national league per tier.
    Geographic structure (regions/conferences/divisions) are internal subdivisions, not separate leagues.

    Tier 1 – Major League Soccer (Professional)
    • 1 national league, 2 conferences, 30-36 teams, regular season+playoffs, top competitive level
    _______________

    Note: promotion and relegation between USL PL and USL Championship

    Tier 2 – USL Premier League (Professional)
    • 1 national league, likely without conferences and playoff, split season, 12 teams
    Tier 3 – USL Championship (Professional)
    • 1 national league, 2 conferences, 24 clubs, split season, without playoffs
    ____________

    Tier 4 – USL League One (Professional / Semi-pro bridge)

    • 1 national league, 4 regions, 4x12-16clubs=48-64 clubs, 12-16 per region, regular regional season + national playoff (likely a Final 4 style competition)


    Non-Professional National Structure

    Note: promotion and relegation between tier 5 and tier 6 leagues.
    March-November calendar year
    Not development leagues (part of a separated development system) or short seasons leagues (lower tiers).

    Tier 5 – National League 1
    • 1 national league, 4 regions, each region with 2 conferences, 4×2×8 clubs=64 clubs
    • Regular phase (conference tournament) -> regional phase -> national phase (Final 4)
    • Could have Spring and Fall tournaments (14 matches+14 matches + playoffs at the end of the season (4-6 matches)
    Tier 6 – National League 2
    • 1 national league, 4 regions with 2 conferences each and each conference with 2 divisions (localized competition blocks). Regular season (division) -> Conference Phase -> Regional Phase -> National Phase (Final 4)
    • Minimum: 4×2×2×8=128 clubs


    Tier 7+ – Regional Football Ecosystem

    • Interstate leagues, Regional leagues, Metropolitan leagues
     
  2. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All good ideas. Who is going to implement it?
     
  3. Paulo_84

    Paulo_84 New Member

    Benfica
    Portugal
    Mar 28, 2026
    #528 Paulo_84, Apr 24, 2026
    Last edited: Apr 24, 2026
    USSF would have to initiate the framework by creating a formal working group including MLS, USL, USASA, and other stakeholders to design a unified national system across senior, development, and youth levels. The objective would be to define a coherent pyramid structure and align economic and sporting incentives so that all levels operate within a single ecosystem rather than league-centric parallel systems.

    A potential first step in this reformist plan could be the development system. MLS and USL reserve or U23 teams could compete in a shared national development league, creating a controlled environment to test deeper cooperation between league operators.

    Initially, this common development league would not replace existing structures such as MLS Next Pro or USL League Two. Instead, those competitions could be positioned below it within the development pyramid, with promotion and relegation pathways introduced into the new shared league and creating a us "open development" cup.

    If successful, this could then expand downward with additional tiers, replacing individual legacy development leagues.
    Below the national professional development layer (likely two tiers), a national non-professional pyramid should exist, also structured into a limited number of tiers (likely two), with one clearly defined league per tier. These national leagues must have full season calendars.

    Below that point, the system would transition into regional logic, where leagues are no longer strictly organized within a single national pyramid. At that stage, there would be no formally defined Tier 5 and below in the national hierarchy. Instead, multiple regional leagues would operate in a more open structure, could play shorter seasons, feeding into the national system, without a rigid unified tier designation.

    If proved successful this operational implementation could be repeated in the youth system.
     
  4. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good luck.
     
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  5. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One interesting item from this article about the Whitecaps situation is that Indianapolis, Sacramento, Phoenix and Las Vegas were all mentioned as potential landing spots for the Caps should they not find an in-market solution. Now, all four of these cities currently have USL Championship teams, and have all been mentioned as potential places for USL Premier teams.....

    So, IF promotion/relegation is truly the differentiator that some claim it to be, why are these cities pursuing MLS??? Why are potential ownership groups pursuing MLS and not USL?

     
  6. Paulo_84

    Paulo_84 New Member

    Benfica
    Portugal
    Mar 28, 2026
    Pro/rel works could work as a tool to strengthen lower divisions by driving fan interest, ecinomic value, and increase competitiveness. But still should be done in a controlled system (within USL likely between their two main tiers/divisions).

    Because the biggest reason teams will always prefer joining MLS instead of USL is simple: clubs always want to be in the biggest and most stable league.

    One smart approach would be for USL not to charge an expansion fee for the proposed top-tier “USL Premier League” at the start. Instead, the first season could include clubs that already meet specific requirements such as stadium standards, financial stability, market size, and fan support. After the system is established, participating in the top division becomes a valuable sporting and financial reward rather than something clubs simply buy into.

    With this structure, USL could eventually grow into a 36-team system within their two main pro divisions (matching MLS in geographic coverage), including a 12-team Premier League and a 24-team Championship. That would create meaningful competition while still keeping the pyramid manageable and financially controlled.

    Another important point is the role of Canadian clubs. Canadian MLS teams could eventually move fully into the Canadian Premier League and sell their MLS rights. Maybe thisvwhitecaps crisis could start this process.
    This would allow MLS to become a completely domestic U.S. league, which could strengthen its identity and simplify league operations. At the same time, if MLS expands to 36 clubs (mantain 34-matches regular season), it could still cover virtually every major American market on its own.
     
  7. Doogh

    Doogh Member+

    Oct 5, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pro/rel solved one problem: Too many teams operating under a single division.

    All this:
    is nonsense.
     
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  8. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It originally solved the problem of players jumping from the Football League to the Alliance League and back to avoid transfer fees.
     
  9. JDogindy

    JDogindy Member

    Nov 20, 2014
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I mean, there are obvious reasons:

    Sacramento: Was offered MLS team, later rescinded.
    Indianapolis: Mayor explicitly wanted MLS team after backing out of USL stadium deal
    Las Vegas: Current USL team being kicked out of old, decrepit ballpark, plus it's been a magnet for leagues ever since the Golden Knights joined and gambling was no longer taboo
    Phoenix: City has tried for ages to get a MLS team.

    It doesn't help that, while MLS has its own can of worms, the USL is more of a "three kids in a trenchcoat" kind of league. A lot of the teams tend to have connections into construction or real estate firms and want to get deals on land *before* they put the team in place, or if there's already a team, they want to get a stadium in now. The difference is that while most MLS owners are stupid rich but clearly don't want to spend the money because that's just how capitalism works, USL owners are barely rich, so they have to sweet talk their communities into how soccer is truly the way of the future
     
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  10. JDogindy

    JDogindy Member

    Nov 20, 2014
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The USL has a new team in Brooklyn FC, playing out of the Brooklyn Cyclones ballpark. They can't draw flies. The USL also finally revived the New York Cosmos IP. That team can't draw flies, either. Both are in the largest metropolitan area in the country, where there's two MLS teams that have healthy support and, in theory, could at least have one more based on how the greater London area has multiple clubs at various levels. One could counterargue this by insisting it takes time to grow, but how do you grow when you start at 1000 people and dwindle from that?
     
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  11. Paulo_84

    Paulo_84 New Member

    Benfica
    Portugal
    Mar 28, 2026
    I understand that stadiums, sports infrastructure, and — most importantly — ownership groups willing to invest are major factors when deciding where to expand. However, USL still does not seem to have a fully coherent long-term structure across its professional pyramid.

    Some clubs currently in the USL Championship — such as Ozark, Loudoun, Reno, Santa Barbara, or Monterey — feel closer to what would normally be considered Division 3 level rather than true second-division clubs in terms of market scale, infrastructure, and overall project ambition.

    That is why I think the idea of creating a separate “Premier League” within USL could actually make sense, specially without seeking official Division 1 sanctioning in the U.S. soccer pyramid.
     
  12. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That sorta makes sense. Create a 3 tier system without worrying about divisional status. That way you don't have to worry about not promoting teams because they don't meet specific divisional requirements.
     
  13. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  14. owian

    owian Member+

    Liverpool FC, San Diego FC
    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's not all nonsense. Pro/Rel is more than just a way to solve the problem of to many clubs for one level. Yes it does address that but adds a lot more. Example, this years prem has been more fun because there's been a genuine relegation battle. Another example the NBA is having major issues with tanking. Not really an issue in pro/rel leagues.

    I am not saying pro/rel solves every problem and leagues without pro/rel aren't legit (I am a ST holder for SDFC FFS) but there is more to it than just a way a way to organize to many teams for a certain level. Although it does do that in a fairer and I feel more beneficial way.
     
  15. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  16. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Interesting:

     
  17. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    More CBA nuggets:

     

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