USL to implement promotion and relegation

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  1. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Forest fan looking forward to relegation.
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  2. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sporting JAX Development Company?

     
  3. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do they have a future stadium location yet?

    Tim Tebow is the designated famous sports-person co-owner.
     
  4. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    USLPA going all in and spitting chiclets!

     
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  5. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are they wrong tho? As much as people like to through the "Ponzi scheme" moniker at MLS, USL's constant rotation teams paying the expansion fee, while others bow out, seems to far better match the moniker than MLS ever did.
     
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  6. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Seems closer to rent-seeking than a Ponzi scheme. Older clubs aren't having their investments fraudulently inflated by inflow from new investors. If I understand the structure correctly, the expansion fees just go to the central league organization--not sure if existing clubs see any benefit from them other than having more opponents to play.
     
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  7. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The expansion fees go to NuRock.
     
  8. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    More information about the USL Structure:

     
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  9. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  10. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I haven’t followed this league much. I never understood what the PA really expected, given that it’s only the last, say, 20 years that we’ve felt confident in MLS’ longevity.

    Now I think I get it; tell me if I’m wrong. The beef is that NuRock is adding teams for the expansion fees, but way, way too often those clubs are non viable. And that hurts the players.

    If I’m right, it seems to me that the players are (or should be) advocating cutting back on union jobs in exchange for those jobs not being so shitty in terms of pay and stability. Their beef really is with NuRock, and the league office, and not the individual clubs.

    Am I right?
     
  11. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's a combination. It looks like the league is pushing as much as possible onto the clubs and the clubs don't have the money to guarantee protections.
     
  12. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  13. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Interview with Sac Republic managing partner:

     
  14. Saint Dennis

    Saint Dennis Red Card

    Feb 16, 2026
    Man, Kevin Nagle looks like hell. Hope he's OK.
     
  15. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Promotion/relegation will do that to you!!! American sports are stress free ya know?
     
  16. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    “USL is completely unique in professional sports that you have a privately held company that owns the league.”

    USL Players’ Association rejected latest CBA proposal from USL and authorized a strike.

    Connor Tobin, executive director of USLPA, explains the business model of USL.

    “USL is completely unique in professional sports that you have a privately held company that owns the league,” he said.

    “In every other sports league, the league entity does not act as an independent profit center.”

    “Instead, the league brings in income and then in some way, shape, or form, that revenue is then distributed out to its clubs. That's not how USL works.”

    “When the money comes into the league. Again, the league's privately held so those owners are the beneficiaries, not the team owners.”

    “And so one of the things that we have in this ecosystem is a misalignment of financial incentives.”

    “You have a lot of the investment to build these clubs and build these community assets that are happening at a localized level. Those are team owners that are putting that up.”

    “They're carrying a lot of the risk, but a lot of the benefits are held by the league office. There's a disconnect there.”

    “So we can have expansion, we can launch a new league, we can sell new teams. That benefits one entity, it doesn't necessarily stabilize the club entities.”

    “If the clubs aren't stable. What happens to the players? Because the clubs are our direct employer.”

    “So again, this is about an ecosystem and an overall business environment. Is it aligned? Is it in balance? Is it working in unison?”

    “It’s not just risk to the club owners, it’s risk to the players.”

    “You’re asking about Tormenta, you’re asking about NCFC (both clubs are now on hiatus). Players have signed contracts, who’s carrying the risk in these situations?”

    “These are guys that signed leases. They’ve moved families to those locations. They’ve sat in market, they’ve trained on their own. And all of a sudden, two weeks out from the season, there’s not gonna be a team, here is a three months of severance.”

    “What happens to the cost of breaking your lease? What happens to foreign players who might have visas? What happens in any of these situations?”

    “What are the opportunities for employment on the other side of it given the timing? Who’s carrying the risk? That’s a system that’s not working for anyone.”

    It will be interesting to see if both parties can find an agreement before Friday, when the USL Championship season is supposed to kick off.

    [via United Soccer Lounge with Riley James on GOLZ TV]

     
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  17. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    REPORT: On Wednesday, the USL emailed all Championship players with information on procedures for crossing a potential picket line and resigning their union membership, sources have confirmed to The Guardian.

    Details, including the attached "FAQs" pdf:

     
  18. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Isn't there a European Football Players Association?

     
  19. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's almost as if....... they should be negotiating a tiered CBA for the proposed new USL structure........

     
  20. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This guys an anti MLS troll. European players would love some of the protections that MLS players get through the CBA. We see the top players who are paid enough not to care about details but we don't often see the fate of players who don't make it at the highest level.
     
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  21. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Even if USL had an "open market" how does this guy think players will get paid? Bad TV deals, little to no interest in USL from American audience, sponsorships deals are a joke etc. And he has the audacity to say the rest don't know better.
     
  22. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's still butthurt that his family business took a hit when the LA Galaxy ostracized them.
     
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  23. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    Not familiar with 3four3 but a quick look at the Twitter feed is telling.
     
  24. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's cuckoo for cocoa puffs. The guy has spent years taking dumps on the biggest client for the family business and he's shocked that the client wouldn't want to do business with them anymore...
     
  25. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He was one of the Kleibans
     

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