USL General News thread

Discussion in 'United Soccer Leagues' started by thefishy, Sep 28, 2014.

  1. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If they want it to be open to join, it's also open to leave.
     
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  2. canammj

    canammj Member

    Aug 25, 2004
    CHINO, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    Thus, one of the stability problems of soccer in this country. Revolving door of teams in any league and at any level is not really good ?
     
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  3. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, it explains why there was such a revolving door for over a century and justifies the financial commitments detailed in USSF divisional standards.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    Is it poaching to move from amateur to pro leagues?
    What sort of payroll do you think they have?
    Well, they look to have 8 for next season, so you'll be able to kick them around for another year.
     
  5. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    So... Oakland Roots are a more ambitious club than the New York Cosmos?
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    My sarcasm meter is giving me an ambiguous reading on this post.
     
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  7. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    I see. You meant the teams, collectively.
    I would think any clubs in danger of that would just have sat out the fall season like 1904 and Stumptown did. Covid gave an easy out.
     
  9. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was replying to Ironhorse's "meh, NISA will poach another amateur team" comment.

    If they do poach an amateur team someone is going to have to come up with $400k payroll, based on the link I posted, a stadium with a thousand seats, kit, coaching staff, front office and travel expenses.

    (An important consideration in choosing a venue is that a lot of stadiums that host high school events can't sell beer).

    One location that springs to mind is Fresno. It's in the Pacific time-zone and FFC were getting decent attendances before the USL team owners got the hump and decided to move them.
     
  10. IronHorseFC

    IronHorseFC Member

    D.C. United
    Oct 5, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Correct me if I'm wrong but there are no time zone requirements for D3 standards.
     
  11. canammj

    canammj Member

    Aug 25, 2004
    CHINO, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The answer is yes.
    The Cosmos are going to run out of leagues pretty soon.
     
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  12. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No you're right. It may be better to start a a regional league and work outwards. That's how UPSL started in 2011 and it now has over 300 teams.

    But they will need a principal owner worth $10 million and they'll need a $250k performance bond.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    I see, right. This is why I have hard time calling recruiting amateur clubs into the pro leagues "poaching".
    Nobody is doing this because of some sweetheart deal offered to them, since there are a ton of requirements to make the jump anyway.

    Besides, NISA wouldn't be "poaching" anyone, anyway, because it's open to whoever qualifies.
    The Stockade have this problem. I'm not entirely sure how Greenville Triumph manage it, because I would have thought S. Carolina being pretty restrictive in that regard.
    In some scenarios, it's the school district that manages the stadium and I guess they can somehow compartmentalize. FCD and OKC Energy are both working under this arrangement, I think. I guess DCFC is, too. Maybe this is how the Triumph work around it.
    I think there are so many untapped Californian markets, especially for D3. It's hard, though: until there's critical mass, it's just very spread out.
    Not unless Rocco sells Fiorentina, I don't think. Cosmos are basically a passive player in NISA thus far.
    The bigger danger is Commisso's lack of engagement making him want to park the Cosmos in a league that requires no DIY, like basically handing it over to David Villa's project or something.
     
  14. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes I know. It struck me when I went for a run at Dietz Stadium and saw a sign saying no alcohol.

    I doubt Dennis Crowley is willing to fund a soccer specific stadium even though there's plenty of land available locally.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    It seems silly to do for an amateur team. There's a balance between good location and price. That's what did Fresno FC in. They couldn't find a spot close enough to the city that would have been cost effective.
     
  16. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What was the point of Crowley taking USSF to CAS over pro/rel unless he intended for KS to turn pro?
     
  17. Yoshou

    Yoshou Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Because he is a supporter of pro/rel in the US and he could use his position as the owner of an amateur team to claim that USSF was preventing him from moving up. He doesn't necessarily need to have the intent to move up, just that he would be impacted if he wanted to.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    He's been pretty open about the math not looking particularly good for Stockade to go pro.
     
  19. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    "Wait, you mean I have to pay the players?"
     
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  20. IronHorseFC

    IronHorseFC Member

    D.C. United
    Oct 5, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "My team has to play a full season instead of summer?"
     
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    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
  22. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    The comments are really directed at this specific franchise, but the whole pro/rel fan culture that desperately wants to consider summer amateur leagues designed around college eligibility and field availability as a mythical "D4", and that it's trivial to move teams between the so-called amateur short season D4 and the professional/semi-pro full season D3.

    I fully support people that want to own and run soccer teams at whatever level they're financially and operationally comfortable with. Especially those at the PDL/NPSL/etc... level without any undue pressure to become more than they are or want to be. For those that are dabbling their toe with the means and interest in owning a professional team, well good luck to them as well.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    I know and I get it. It just sucks when it gets applied towards someone who actually is trying educate people on the reality of running a club vs. the delusional redditor.
     
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  24. IronHorseFC

    IronHorseFC Member

    D.C. United
    Oct 5, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1899 IronHorseFC, Sep 17, 2020 at 8:28 PM
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    That doesn't disapprove @AndyMead's and my point, though. Professional soccer is not a charity. You have to be committed to paying your players and a full season calendar. You lose money for a season, holy sh*t stop the presses! Guess what? Most EFL clubs are operating at a negative (that's why they imposed a salary cap this season)

    As the saying goes, "how do you earn 2 million from starting a soccer club? Start with 3 million"

    Clearly you don't realize this, or else you won't link me to one of his articles playing the victim card.

    This man is a techbro entrepreneur complaining about other entrepreneurs that managed to get professional soccer working, while siding with Riccardo Silva, another entrepreneur and their pro/rel CAS case that predictably went against their favor.

    He's free to roam around and dip in the professional pool, but the narcissism is astounding. There are multiple examples of NPSL, USL2 teams that jumped to the professional ranks. Spare me.
     
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    Chattanooga FC
    United States
    Apr 7, 2018
    It’s pretty obvious you didn’t read what I posted.
     

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