USL General News thread

Discussion in 'United Soccer Leagues' started by thefishy, Sep 28, 2014.

  1. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Red Card

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Finally got an announcement for the full national broadcast schedule for USL this year, for D2, D3, and the USL Cup.

    USL Championship final is again on CBS. The USL Cup final will be on ESPN2.
     
  2. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Red Card

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    That's why I think USSF has to step in and increase those standards. Basically tell USL that they're fine with the 3 tier pro/rel situation but they're going to require more financial guarantees so that things like Charlotte, and especially South Georgia, don't happen again without greater player compensation and lead time to find new work.
     
  3. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    From a PR perspective USL gained a lot of goodwill over the pro/rel thing and not being MLS*.

    If they want to keep that goodwill they may want to reconsider how they manage things, particularly if there's a threat of relegated teams folding.

    *
    - they're not a single-entity run by greedy billionaires, whoops what do you mean no revenue distribution?
    - they fully participate in Open Cup, whoops only 17 Championship teams are entering this season!
    - pro/rel, eventually, whoops maybe only for the top two divisions, if they manage it at all.
     
  4. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Smart move:



    If I was the players I would wait to strike until the the week of the International Break (USL doesn't take those off). Reason being, no other leagues to take up the airspace of their cause.
     
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  5. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Red Card

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    No action tonight until 1 minute after the opening whistle. Players stood still with arms behind their backs.
     
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  6. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's almost like they didn't have a plan when moving forward with their pro/rel announcement:



    Shouldn't they be negotiating one CBA that is tiered for the proposed new USL league structure? Rather than this piece meal mess?
     
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  7. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Red Card

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yep. I can understand the current setup where they did the Championship CBA and then did the League One CBA later because the league didn't exist when the first deal was signed. I can't understand all the ambition they're pretending to show but going out there with no plan for the men's side while still not having an official CBA for the women's Super League either.

    They've got a real chance to try and do something interesting and they're seemingly dead set on screwing it up.
     
  8. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Red Card

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Forward Madison seeking investors

    The most interesting part of the article is this from the third paragraph:

     
  9. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good luck with the USL Premier League CBA. They have the MLS CBA for direct comparison with it's guaranteed contracts, dispersal draft and $125k minimum salary (2027).
     
  10. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Red Card

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #3485 TheJoeGreene, Mar 7, 2026
    Last edited: Mar 7, 2026
  11. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  12. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Red Card

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Not sure how that happened but it's fixed now.
     
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  13. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One of these things that the prawns never anticipate or just handwave away because "it works in the rest of the world*.

    Promotion, great. But, again, teams go up and teams go down, and that has a real impact on the player pool. Players from relegated teams aren't just absorbed by other clubs. The union has a vested interest in certainty in this landscape.




    *And by "the rest of the world," we mean "Europe." And by "Europe," we mean "England."
     
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  14. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But, wait....USL players should have nothing to worry about. Three teams are offering $8k a month plus housing and a car!

    [​IMG]

    (Some of the comments were priceless. "My 16-year-old son plays, he's pretty good, he always gets compliments on his play." Okay, then, ma'am.)
     
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  15. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is good:

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2026/mar/10/usl-structure-promotion-relegation-expansion

    While Professional League Standards have helped on the front end by (ostensibly) keeping the kind of used-car salesmen who used to try to own teams from doing so, the cost to operate a team has increased significantly.

    I'd have to check the claim that 20 USLC/USLL1 clubs have folded since 2015 (may be true), but even so, clubs used to fail at a 70+% clip back in the 90s/early 2000s. Perhaps we are at a point where because of the costs, those days may return. (You'd think the infrastructure would help, though.)

    The general point is solid, though: uncertainty for clubs and labor unrest are a bad environment in which to institute a system that would threaten the viability of the teams, especially those chasing promotion. (Something some of us have said, you know, for eons.)
     
  16. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My list, forgive of its incorrect.

    Played in USL since 2015 but no longer in D1, D2 or D3

    Rochester Rhinos
    Harrisburg City Islanders
    Saint Louis FC
    FC Montreal
    Wilmington Hammerheads
    OKC Energy (hiatus)
    Austin Aztex
    Austin Bold
    Dayton Dutch Lions
    Fresno FC
    Memphis 901
    North Carolina FC (hiatus)
    Penn FC
    Reno 1868
    RGV
    San Diego Loyal
    Central Valley Fuego
    Lansing Ignite
    North Colorado Hailstorm
    South Georgia Tormenta
    Texoma FC
    FC Tucson
     
  17. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Red Card

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Even on that list, several didn't actually fold. South Georgia is technically on hiatus for 2026, though I feel like both South Georgia and North Carolina won't return.

    Memphis "folded" and transferred their spot to the Santa Barbara team that's coming in.

    Central Valley and Northern Colorado are still playing in The League for Clubs while Tuscon is USL2, so they went down to pre-professional instead of fully folding. Texoma is supposed to come back as the pre-professional side for Rodeo SC.

    So, outright folding at this point is closer to 14 but there have been some other moves out of USLC or USL1.
     
  18. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good work. I have never counted a self-relegated club as folding (FC Tucson) but it is worth noting.
     
  19. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Red Card

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    It's feeling more and more that this is going to come down to NuRock being willing to share much more of the sponsorship pie with the clubs/divisions going forward, and I'm not sure they're going to.
     
  20. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Welp, let's look at the 1999 A-League for a second:

    Atlanta Silverbacks - FOLDED
    Boston Bulldogs - FOLDED
    Charleston Battery - STILL ALIVE
    Cincinnati Riverhawks - FOLDED
    Connecticut Wolves - FOLDED
    El Paso Patriots - FOLDED
    Hampton Roads Mariners - FOLDED
    Hershey Wildcats - FOLDED
    Indiana Blast - FOLDED
    Jacksonville Cyclones - FOLDED
    Lehigh Valley Steam - FOLDED
    Long Island Rough Riders - STILL PLAYING IN LEAGUE 2
    Maryland Mania - FOLDED
    Milwaukee Rampage - FOLDED
    Minnesota Thunder - FOLDED
    New Orleans Storm - FOLDED
    Orange County Zodiac - SURVIVED FOR A BIT AS ORANGE COUNTY BLUE STAR, FOLDED
    Pittsburgh Riverhounds - STILL ALIVE (COUPLE OF HIATUSES)
    Raleigh Express - FOLDED
    Richmond Kickers - USLL1
    Rochester Rhinos - FOLDED (AFTER SEVERAL NEAR-DEATH EXPERIENCES)
    Sacramento Geckos - FOLDED
    San Diego Flash - FOLDED
    San Francisco Bay Seals - FOLDED
    Seattle Sounders - IN MLS (BASICALLY, DON'T @ ME)
    Staten Island Vipers - FOLDED
    Tennessee Rhythm - FOLDED (TRANSFERRED A-LEAGUE RIGHTS TO VA BEACH, BUT SHUT UP)
    Toronto Lynx - FOLDED
    US Pro-40 - FOLDED
    Vancouver 86ers - IN MLS (SEE SEATTLE)

    Those of us who were around (and trying to make it work) back then look at 14 or 20 or whatever the number is clubs folding in 10 years and say, "You guys have it pretty good."
     
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  21. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #3496 Paul Berry, Mar 13, 2026
    Last edited: Mar 13, 2026
    I didn't realize Tucson was still around.

    As far as anyone looking from the outside, a team leaving Memphis for Santa Barbara is effectively folding and restarting elsewhere.

    England does things the other way around. Crystal Palace technically "dissolved" in 2010, Notts County in 2003, Millwall in 1997 but in each case a new club was founded wearing the same colors at the same stadium with the same supporters, so people don't really count them as defunct.

    I counted 20 English League or former league clubs that have technically been dissolved since 1997 (beyond administration) including Bournemouth, Leeds United, Crystal Palace and Coventry City.
     
  22. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Red Card

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  23. soccermilitant

    soccermilitant Member+

    Jan 14, 2009
    St.paul
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well it’s clear that it’s the ussf and garber trying to keep the usl down .
     
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  24. soccermilitant

    soccermilitant Member+

    Jan 14, 2009
    St.paul
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If those teams had the “ magic” of pro/ rel all the teams would still be alive and selling out nfl stadiums .
     
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  25. AZUL GALAXY

    AZUL GALAXY Member+

    Aug 28, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CDSC Cruz Azul
    So this time isn’t Trump?
     

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