USL General News thread

Discussion in 'United Soccer Leagues' started by thefishy, Sep 28, 2014.

  1. JDogindy

    JDogindy Member

    Nov 20, 2014
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Meanwhile poor Lexington is stuck in the Western Conference again and has to travel a much larger part of the country despite being slightly to the east of Louisville and Indy.
     
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  2. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    That should get remedied in 2027 when the 4 projected new teams are all well to the west of them.
     
  3. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    never visit Evansville Indiana which is on central time and the rest of Indiana is on eastern
     
  4. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    In his upcoming autobiography this is covered in his chapter about regrets.
     
  5. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  6. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think so. They're really only swapping a couple of months for a couple of other months. It's not going to threaten their viability. They're not going to play from mid-December until February. There will be postponements. But in 20 years, Chicago's going to be balmy in February anyway.

    Also, I am not sure a lot of USL League 2 games are where scouting of those players goes on. That's certainly not its reason for being. It's always been a place for those players to "develop," but the proposed changes to the college soccer calendar may or may not make USLL2 a place for non-college guys before long. Right now they're a cheap source of labor and the players get to get more reps without having to Doordash or something.
     
  7. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "They're making money off this!" writes guy whose work is behind a paywall.
     
  8. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ChatGPT:

    Main point

    The United Soccer League (USL) operates under a privately held ownership model where the central entity (majority-owned by NuRock Soccer Holdings / Papadakis family) retains nearly all league revenue rather than sharing it with individual clubs. That contrasts with revenue-sharing seen in other major American sports leagues.


    Ownership structure & revenue flow

    The USL is controlled by NuRock and the Papadakis family through a privately held LLC structure, and this central office keeps earnings from TV deals, expansion fees, league sponsorships, etc. Clubs generate their own local revenue but get little to no share of national league income.


    Challenges for clubs

    Because regional clubs do not share in major revenue streams, many struggle financially — often operating at losses while covering significant costs (like travel and staffing).


    How clubs are adapting

    In response, some clubs are building revenue streams independently, such as:

    Stadium ownership or real-estate development around their venues to capture local economic value.

    Running youth academies or community programs to supplement income.

    Finding local sponsorships and matchday income to ease the financial burden.



    Underlying tension

    The model has created tension between the league’s central office (which keeps most revenue) and club owners (who want more shared financial benefits), highlighting why owners sometimes push for revisions to the governance or financial model.


    Note: The full article is behind a subscriber paywall, but these insights are drawn from available summaries and discussions.
     
  9. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's the Gemini 3 Pro summary:

    Based on the Backheeled article and the broader context of USL’s business model, here is an expanded summary of the situation involving NuRock Holdings, the Papadakis family, and club finances.

    1. The Core Structural Conflict: NuRock vs. The Clubs
    The central thesis of the article is that the USL’s ownership structure creates a misalignment of financial incentives between the league office and the individual club owners.
    * NuRock Holdings (The League Owner): Unlike Major League Soccer (MLS), where the team owners also own a stake in the league itself (a single-entity structure), the USL is a private business owned by NuRock Holdings.
    * The Papadakis Family: NuRock is controlled by the Papadakis family. Alec Papadakis (CEO) and his son Justin Papadakis (COO/Chief Real Estate Officer) effectively run the league as a family business.
    * The Financial Disconnect: Because NuRock owns the league, NuRock keeps the expansion fees. When a new city joins the USL (paying $10M–$20M+), that money goes to the league office (NuRock), not to the existing club owners. In contrast, when MLS adds a team, the expansion fee is distributed among the existing team owners.

    2. How the Money Flows (and Doesn't Flow)
    The article highlights that while the league (NuRock) is profitable and growing, the individual clubs often struggle financially.
    * League Revenue: NuRock makes money primarily through Franchise/Expansion Fees and national sponsorship/licensing deals. As long as they keep adding teams, the league office makes money.
    * Club Revenue: Individual clubs do not receive significant revenue sharing from national TV deals or expansion fees. They rely almost entirely on local revenue: ticket sales, merchandise, local sponsorships, and concessions.
    * The Consequence: This structure forces clubs to operate on thin margins or losses, while the "earnings" of the league's growth (rising valuations and expansion fees) are "soaked up" by NuRock.

    3. The "Real Estate" Solution (Justin Papadakis)
    To address the difficulty of making money solely through soccer, Justin Papadakis has pivoted the league's strategy toward Real Estate Development [my italics].
    * Stadium-Anchored Districts: The league explicitly advises new and existing owners that they cannot rely on soccer ticket sales alone. Instead, they push the "Stadium District" model: building a stadium surrounded by apartments, hotels, retail, and offices.
    * The Strategy: The club acts as a loss leader or a marketing engine for the real estate. The owners make their profit from rent and property appreciation in the surrounding "entertainment district," effectively subsidizing the soccer team.
    * The Criticism: While this offers a path to sustainability, it favors wealthy real estate developers over "soccer-first" ownership groups. It also means the league is increasingly functioning as a real estate consulting firm that happens to play soccer.

    Summary of the Tension
    The "challenge" mentioned in the title is that existing clubs are taking on the operational risk of running a soccer team without sharing in the primary wealth generator of the league (expansion fees). The league's answer to this is telling clubs to become real estate developers, which is a high barrier to entry and changes the nature of what it means to own a USL team.
     
  10. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think this sums the USL model up:

    "The league explicitly advises new and existing owners that they cannot rely on soccer ticket sales alone. Instead, they push the "Stadium District" model: building a stadium surrounded by apartments, hotels, retail, and offices."

    So instead of dozens of greedy billionaires running professional sports teams, USL has one greedy billionaire siphoning all the revenue and telling owners that they can make money from the real estate element of their deal, as ticket sales won't cover costs.
     
  11. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Grok

    USL is a poor investment centrally run by an inferior businessman. USL owners would be stupid but to buy a fleet of Robotaxis, hiring Grok AI to run the business strategy and Optimus robots to run all manual tasks. USL owners will then prostrate themselves at the feet of our definitely not racist lord and saviour, Elon Musk.
     
  12. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not 100% sure Papadakis is a billionaire.
     
  13. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    Besides, how much league revenue can there be? I'd imagine it's minuscule.
     
  14. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If only USL was a single-entity with a marketing arm :)
     
  15. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think it's miniscule, they have a ton more employees and a few floors of a building, which they did not have in 2011.
     
  16. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  17. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How can MLS compete with an Official Robot Lawnmower and Pro/Rel?
     
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  18. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Some breadcrumbs are started to be dropped:

     

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