USL General News thread

Discussion in 'United Soccer Leagues' started by thefishy, Sep 28, 2014.

  1. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    On the field they've been well run pretty much since day 1. Getting a legit financial backer and getting a stadium downtown where they wanted it is a good thing.
     
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  2. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  3. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  4. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I thought you posted just last year that SB was already supposed to get a League One team this year?


    Aug 29, 2023

    Is it the same group?
     
  5. canammj

    canammj Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    CHINO, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This both not good and weird news.
    Losing a large city franchise like Memphis is not good for the league.
    Santa Barbara was to go USL-1, moved from a poor stadium (turf) to a good stadium (grass), but we have heard very little else about them. Now they want to jump to USL-C ? They now will need more than an average USL-1 attendance to at least an average USL-C to make this work. At least they have 4 other California rivals to keep some of the travel down- Oakland, Sacramento, Monterey Bay and Orange County and you could make the argument that Phoenix and Vegas not far either- 1+ hour or so by plane-- quite a bit more by bus.
    Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
     
  6. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The pure USL is all about real estate development. Second paragraph on their about page:

    In 2016, more than $100 million were invested league-wide into stadium infrastructure to create venues that deliver an unforgettable fan and competitor experience.

    Meanwhile the 901 owners can focus on Dagenham and Redbridge.
     
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  7. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yep. Memphis ownership had a plan to demolish the old Mid-South Coliseum (closed in 2006) and build an 8k stadium on the site, that was going to open for the 2025 season, but that got blocked and they didn't gain traction anywhere else.
     
  8. canammj

    canammj Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    CHINO, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    Not sure who/what blocked that deal, but trading one stadium for another (Like LAFC did) should have been a no brainer. Memphis should be looking for anyway to get people to come their city. Seems like a blown chance and now doubtful anyone will be back putting a team in Memphis for a long time unless a stadium is done before hand. Sad.
     
  9. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think there was ever a deal. As far as I can tell the club wanted a downtown stadium as part of a taxpayer funded redevelopment, the city said we already have a downtown stadium thank you, good luck in Santa Barbara.
     
  10. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Central Valley and Northern Colorado are out, and Lexington is moving up to the Championship.

    AV Alta (Lancaster, CA), FC Naples, Portland (ME), Texoma, and Westchester are coming in. That should give us a 14 team league with 3 more teams expected for the 2026 season (Boise, Corpus Christi, Eugene).
     
  11. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would have hoped that a short term solution could be found for Hailstorm and Fuego, at least for a year, as the league needs more teams but they seem mighty strict.

    So those teams have the option of the dying NISA, the Peter Wilt Vaporware League, MLS NP or dropping to the amateurs.
     
  12. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Fuego was always a mess. Just delusional owners that thought the city was going to let them build a stadium on prime land at a significant discount.

    Not sure what happened with Northern Colorado's ownership other than filing for bankruptcy. They actually got their stadium built, put a good team on the field and saw an increase in attendance. It's surprising that nobody stepped in to buy the rights to that one.
     
  13. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If they filed for bankruptcy, that likely means vendors with unpaid bills and a lot of burned bridges, so it may be better to let the team die and then there is the opportunity for a new team to start without the baggage.
     
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  14. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  15. canammj

    canammj Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    CHINO, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    Oh yes, more lower league turmoil. Along with issues in USL-C in Milwaukee, Des Moines, OKC , my concerns with USL are increasing. Maybe is why MLS also needs to sit on 30 for a bit. Just seems we been getting team announcements left and right. Thought the vetting process was suppose to be better and this should not be happening as much.
     
  16. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hailstorm should perch in MLS NP where they'll have Rapids U23 as local rivals.
     
  17. DCW531

    DCW531 Member

    City SC
    Jan 31, 2017
    St. Louis, MO
    Well, if they can't/aren't paying their bills, I doubt MLS NP would take them.
     
  18. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do you remember the 90s? At all?

    USL-1 has the most turmoil (which makes sense, the third division is always a challenge). Memphis' deal was a stadium, pure and simple. You can't go on without a solution anymore.

    Has nothing to do with vetting the ownership group. If anything, it's allowing someone in without a stadium, but that's been going on forever.

    RTFL.

    Memphis' franchise rights in USL-C have been transferred to the organization that was to join USL-1 next year. Instead, they will join USL-C in 2026 instead.

    Yes, it's the same organization. Holy cow. You wouldn't put a USL-1 AND a USL-C team in Santa Barbara.

    Hardly the first time this has happened. The Charlotte Eagles sold their USL Pro rights in 2014 and then resurfaced in the amateur ranks, and the Tennessee Rhythm sold theirs to Virginia Beach in 2001 and then resurfaced in the PDL as the reborn Nashville Metros.

    It's just a way of getting a franchise that would otherwise have been folded.
     
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  19. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I loved Tim Vom Steeg's Real Santa Barbara from 1989–90.

    They had cool a logo and colors! :thumbsup:

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  20. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We don't know the full story.
     
  21. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ok now I know a bit more.

    One of the developers of Future Legends Field filed for Chapter 11. The filing was signed by Jeff Katofsky, who is listed on the filing as a managing member of Future Legends 5 LLC and is a co-founder of the project.

    Money owed includes:
    • $4 million lien by Pinnacle Electric of Windsor. That claim is being disputed.
    • $3.6 million lien by Jaco General Contractor Inc. of Littleton. That claim is being disputed.
    • $775,000 by Unique Funding Solutions Inc. of Hollywood, Calif. That claim is being disputed.
    • $450,000 by Sports Court of the Rockies of Littleton. That claim is being disputed.
    • $76,000 by town of Windsor for water and sewer services.
    • $76,000 by Harmony Suites (Fort Collins) doing business as Cambria Suites
    • $16,613.25 by High Plains Steel Services of Windsor
    My question is whether it's the club or one of the stadium developers that's gone into C11.
     
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  22. canammj

    canammj Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    CHINO, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    Been going to soccer since the 70's, so have seen it all in every alphabet soup league we have ever had.

    All I am saying is I thought the vetting process was suppose to be better now then back then when anyone with a pulse and a checkbook got a team.
    And yes, a stadium should be in the vetting process.
    Heck look at how long some MLS teams have been dealing with stadium issues, which now that NYCFC and MIA are on the way, its better.
     
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  23. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #2748 falvo, Nov 15, 2024
    Last edited: Nov 15, 2024
    Off the top of my head, I came up with these leagues….

    ASL
    NASL
    MISL (indoor)
    USL (1984–85)
    WSA
    AISA (indoor)
    NPSL (indoor)
    SISL (indoor)
    SWISL (indoor)
    SOSL
    USISL
    USL
    D3 Pro
    PDL
    NPSL2
    WSL
    ASL 2
    LSSA (Lone Star Soccer Alliance)
    MSL (indoor)
    WSL
    APSL
    A League
    MLS
    CISL (indoor)
    MISL 2 (indoor)
    USSF Division 2 (2010)
    NASL 2

    I'm sure there were others but from the 1970's-2010's , these are all I can think of....
     
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  24. pletch99

    pletch99 Member

    Nov 14, 2007
    Winchester, England
    My understanding is that they didn't get their stadium built.

    The main stadium at Windsor (TicketSocket Park) is a part built concrete shell that hasn't progressed in 9 months and is not close to being finished. The Hailstorm were playing on what was intended to be a practice field for both baseball and soccer with no permanent facilities at all apart from a small section of bleachers in one corner.

    The team had brought in limited additional temporary bleachers but there is no way the facility met the minimum standards for League One. While it is true that attendance was up, it was still short of 2,000 a game. There is no way that brings in anywhere near enough revenue to pay a professional soccer team and the lack of facilities meant little or no additional revenue on game day.

    The fact that owners construction company filed for bankruptcy means there is relatively little prospect of the stadium being completed. It would also appear they were unable to pay their players. USL might not be perfect, but it was probably the right call to kick the club out. Hard as that is for the supporters.
     
  25. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Interesting. League One pays so little that 2,000 a game seems like it is enough for a 2nd year franchise if the owner has the appropriate money put down for the team. The D3 standards are 1,000 seat stadium, $250k bond, and primary owner with a net worth of $10 million. That's not much to ask.
     

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