USA vs Germany POST Match Thread [R]

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by Knave, Jun 14, 2005.

  1. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    USA 0-0 Germany

    Even for the first 30 minutes. Then dominated the last 15 of the second half and should have scored one or two goals in that period. (Should have had a PK too.) And then the second half was an awful, tedious affair with neither team taking any risks, and both teams eventually settled in for the scoreless draw.

    But it's still a very good result for the USA and sets us up well to advance.
     
  2. Adam Zebrowski

    Adam Zebrowski New Member

    May 28, 1999
    so does 4 points get usa through as a 3rd place finisher even before playing egypt???
     
  3. Cweedchop

    Cweedchop Member+

    Mar 6, 2000
    Ellicott City, Md
    0-0 helps the US, provided they don't pull a Poland with their last group match against Egypt.

    Feilhaber was a stud.

    Wynne continues to impress.

    Adu was subpar but didn't get much help.

    As good as Chad Barrett played in the opener, he was craptaculor today especially with his endless string of giveaways in the last 20 minutes of the game.

    Eddie Gaven, where are you? I thought you were supposed to be the next Landycakes.

    Westberg was much improved from the last match.

    Dalby and Pederson, we were the ones in the white jerseys.
     
  4. pokemoncards

    pokemoncards New Member

    Aug 17, 2003
    adu did set up two players with good chances to score, one was gaven and the other was feilhalber i think.
     
  5. jri

    jri Red Card

    Sep 28, 2000
    boca

    We kindof looked and played like Italy today (including result). That's sweet, IMO :)
     
  6. IMOX77

    IMOX77 New Member

    Jun 15, 2003
    Long Island, NY
    Can the Jacob Peterson experiment end? Ochoa was not great but he was better


    We must overate Szetela if he can't start over Dalby


    Wynne is awesome


    Barrett did not have a good game


    Freddy should never come off the field because he can be a game breaker with 1 play


    Feilhaber is awesome. He and Wynne should be in MLS next season


    Nguyen was overmatched as was Peterson

    What a diffirence between the 1st and second half
     
  7. Saltenya94

    Saltenya94 Member

    Jul 29, 2003
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    DC United
    USA played well during the 1st half. Gaven himself had 2 amazing chances. Germany for the most part did not have drive and/or imagination on the field. Though once the US started subbing - i for one can see a big gap btw the starters and the subs. This team does a horrible job of killing the clock. I swore GER was about to score. just like i was afraid ARG would score in their last 15-10 mins. better game from Ochoa, Gaven and good stuff from Benny.

    We better get at least 2 in the first half vs. Egypt. b/c this team needs work on thier stamina. Esp. the last 15-10 mins.
     
  8. DCU

    DCU Member+

    Feb 15, 1999
    Bay Area, CA
    I never ever ever thought I'd say anything like this...but Sigi screwed up not including Michael Bradley in this team. He's lightyears better than that useless turd Dalby.

    Feilhaber, on the other hand, he's shining.
     
  9. the Next Level

    Mar 18, 2003
    Chicago, IL
    Crap. We played sorta ok, but that Germany team was weak. Every time we attacked through the middle they either fouled us or we created a chance.

    Somebody has got to give the kids some information from the sidelines.

    Barrett is tired and needs some rest. This affected some of the players in the early match as well. A few of the Arg. players looked very sluggish from the first whistle (like Barrett).
     
  10. jri

    jri Red Card

    Sep 28, 2000
    boca
    I disagree. He gave 2 great balls (to Gaven and Feilhaber) and yes, he was too slow to shoot when in the box- but it was a brillant free-kick move by Gaven/Adu.

    Earlier in 1st half, Adu had a nice cross back across box.

    He was excellent in first half. Slightly above average in 2nd half until 70 minute mark when entire team sank.

    We just need to convert our quality chances, that's all.

    I will say- I think Adu is playing too much like Nowak now (deeper and looking for the dish), and I'd like to see him push it and try to beat guys more/shoot too. That's the only issue I see. He is creating quality in the box, and a lot.
     
  11. Tony in Quakeland

    Jan 27, 2003
    Pleasant Hill, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Impressive first half. Depressive second half.

    Man of the Match was the German defender Schuon who bailed them out several times.

    As for our boys, hard to name a top player, but I'm going to go with Wynne despite being out of position a few times in the second half. (On the other hand, having him out of position just brings us the pleasure of seeing him sprint back to position at incredible speed.) If Eddie Gaven played the whole game like he did the end of the first half, it would have been him.

    We'll kick Eygptian butt and advance. I'd rather see Germany beat Argentina because Argentina looked the better team. I'd rather not play them again.
     
  12. Neville2

    Neville2 Member

    Jun 12, 2001
    Brasilia, DF Brazil
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    Couldn't agree more with your view of the game. Frankly, why take off Ochoa and leave Barrett on. Dalby and Gaven are both 0-2 in this tourney. (Gaven did appear somewhat brighter today) I thought Westberg and Freeman had much better games as well.
     
  13. andythemick

    andythemick New Member

    Aug 22, 2003
    louisville, ky
    This draw is on Sigi Schmidt I think. I'm not saying the US would have won if Sammy Ochoa would have stayed on, but we were dominant, even in the second half, with him in the game, and then once Peterson was brought on we lost all of our attacking momentum. In addition, if you aren't going to push for a goal toward the end, why is Chad Barrett still in the game, and no defender is brought on to counter all of Germany's offensive substitutions. So, because of tactical decisions, this game evolved from one where we were looking at a draw AT WORST to actually feeling pretty relieved to get out at 0-0.

    That said, I thought the first 60 minutes was another testament to how good this team can be. Fluid passing, confidence on the ball, and great play from Fielhaber, Sturgis and Wynne. Just think how good this team will be if/when Jonathan Spector comes back and Eddie Gaven starts playing to his potential.

    If we can take care of business against Egypt, this team definitely has a shot.
     
  14. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Club: Inter Miami
    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Lost our shape the last 15 minutes, can't tell if it was fatigue or frustration with not finishing.

    I thought Freeman redeemed himself defensively a great deal,still pretty weak going forward. Central D and GK was solid, Wynne came back to earth a bit but still pretty good.

    Gaven showed a bit more, but still too weak on the ball, needs to ride challenges much better.Adu, not his best game, but still had a great chance and set up our two best other chances. Not impressed with Dalby,but Feilhaber might have had the best game.

    Forwards were a real weak point. Why is Peterson on this team?? Second game he has come on against a tired team and been invisible.
     
  15. jri

    jri Red Card

    Sep 28, 2000
    boca
    Its a bit unforgiveable from Sigi that Szetela does not come in a match in which we are clearly tiring and giving up space.
     
  16. the Next Level

    Mar 18, 2003
    Chicago, IL
    Peterson is overmatched, but I want to see more of Nguyen. I thought he could have been interesting had there been a team playing around him.
     
  17. Joel Kennedy

    Joel Kennedy New Member

    Mar 19, 2005
    ATL
    Great first half ... kinda looked like the Germans played rope-a-dope and came back strong in the second with a tighter defense and better possession once the US was spent. Thought Feilheber (sp?) was prob our best player out there ... thought Adu, Gaven, and Wynne all had good games.

    We have no depth save Sturgis ... peterson? overmatched....

    Barrett needs to get his ass out of midfield and get up top .... those passes were horrible.
     
  18. FC Tallavana

    FC Tallavana Member+

    Jul 1, 2004
    A tale of two halves and poor subbing by Sigi.

    Why sub out Adu when he's one of only two players that has shown he can complete a pass in the midfield (Benny is the other)? I could maybe understand if he was happy with 4 points and wanted to bring Szetela on for extra defense, but the move he made defies logic to me. Also, while on the Sigi topic, what did Ochoa show you that Jemal Johnson didn't?

    The team just completely lost shape and focus in the 2nd half. Everytime I looked up and saw the Germans in our box, Freeman and Wynne were nowhere to be found. Good God, don't even let me get started on the play of Dalby...

    The positives? Well, we played a solid 1st half. Wynne did very well again. He slowed up a bit after the ghost-yellow, but he still did well...except for getting caught upfield too many times when it was obvious Germany was the dangerous team at the moment. Also, Gaven played a little better than the 1st game.

    I wasn't too worried about missing Spector during the 1st half of this game but I was begging for him to be healthy soon during the 2nd half. If we are to make a run in this tourney he has to be healthy. I also think he should play LB as Freeman is a liability on offense (and not much of an asset on defense). We have to start scoring goals and Spector is someone who could help on the left flank.
     
  19. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    On that note, why is Szetela on this team if he's not going to play?
     
  20. IMOX77

    IMOX77 New Member

    Jun 15, 2003
    Long Island, NY
    Gaven had a good 1st half but disappeared in the second with half the team.

    The more I watch him in this tournament the more I do not think he will make the '06 WC team. He is just very weak and gets pushed off too easy and does not have blazing speed, good ball skills but needs to improve many things.



    Where is Bradley????? Are you telling me that he could not have been as good as Dalby today? Dalby passing was awefull and Bradley in a very accurate passer who gets stuck in. After watching Bradley Sunday I still can not understand why he is not on the team. I do not want to hear the excuses of Bradley not being used to the team he should have been there and after watching Dalby Michael should be starting
     
  21. Tony in Quakeland

    Jan 27, 2003
    Pleasant Hill, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Excellent point.
    Another excellent point. Maybe he'll bust out against Egypt.
     
  22. Nutmeg

    Nutmeg Member+

    Aug 24, 1999
    Give it to the Germans (in the second half at least). They were highly disciplined and made it difficult for us to do anything. Don't underestimate that. They made attacking them nearly impossibe.

    Having said that...

    WTF was that shoulda-been-a-pk no-call on Gaven in the 1st half? How the flying fvck can you not call a fvcking penalty you free-basing worthless Colombian coke addict? Drink bleach.

    Barrett: Exhausted.
    Ochoa: Still not impressed.
    Gaven: Better. But still not Golden Eddie.
    Freddy: Better than Eddie.
    Feilhaber: Our best player so far.
    Dalby: I want Bradley.
    Freeman: Waste of skin.
    Ianni: Good.
    Sturgis: Very good.
    Wynne: So-so game.
    Westberg: Enjoy the US jersey while you get to wear it.
    Peterson: I want Alvarez.
    Nguyen: Small.
    Evans: Whatever.
     
  23. jri

    jri Red Card

    Sep 28, 2000
    boca
    I would definently put Sturgis (who is ball skill confident) on the left, when Spector comes back.

    If Sturgis isn't fast enough, but Spector on the left.
     
  24. 9 Rush

    9 Rush Member

    Sep 9, 2004
    C'bus
    Fitness was the difference between the first half and the latter part of the second. That should be expected when you're playing pros against mostly college players.

    I too fail to see the logic with the Szetela situation unless perhaps he's carrying a knock. Also, Jemal Johnson has to deserve a look in, not to even mention Bradley and perhaps even Besagno.

    Scmidt's selections are odd to say the least.
     
  25. Parmigiano

    Parmigiano Member

    Jun 20, 2003
    Feilhaber was awesome, on both sides of the ball. Deft touch, and excellent soccer brain. An intriguing player and the best for the US today.

    Sturgis impressed and Ianni is tough as nails, if a bit slow.

    Freeman added nothing to offense but was pretty good on D.

    Adu was below his standard but had two potential assists, both very creative.

    Barrett sucked. Can't remember a good touch.

    Ochoa held the ball up, and showed how key that was to the US as soon as he was subbed out for Petersen, who doesn't seem to belong.

    Gaven was bad in the second half, but potentially game winning late in the first.

    Wynne: damn solid, but the Germans seemed to shut him down later in the game. What a throw-in.

    Nguyen -- did he even touch the ball?

    Spector would add a lot to this team -- duh! -- but he doesn't seem to be needed in central defense. I think he could make a huge difference in place of Dalby or Freeman.

    Westberg came up fairly big on one goalmouth scramble, IIRC.
     

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