Post-match: USA vs. Costa Rica

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by ussoccer97531, Sep 1, 2017.

  1. juveeer

    juveeer Member+

    Aug 3, 2006
    If you are going to open up to play out of the back, then play out of the back. Don't blast it up the filed when both CBs are spread that wide.
     
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  2. juveeer

    juveeer Member+

    Aug 3, 2006
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  3. matabala

    matabala Member+

    Sep 25, 2002
    Better system in place, easier to promote tactical and generational continuity, a more "homogeneous" soccer culture, etc.

    "Biased" officiating is a convenient scapegoat. Refs are human, they sometimes have long memories. Never hurts to stay on the sunny side of their disposition.

    All elite athletes are born competitors. Some rise to the occasion better than others. Their is no lack of a desire to perform ie win at that level.
     
  4. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Most honest assessment I've seen.

    Agree with Shaka, say what you will but this is the worst NT we've seen in a long time. I think you have to go back pre-09 to find a worse team. Aside from Pulisic IMO our top 5 are worse than they've been in a long time. I also don't remember having such holes in midfield and our wing talent is quite poor too, never mind we're starting Villafana and Zusi at fullback in must win qualifiers. Boca/Chero were miles better many years ago.

    What's a surprising stat is Jozy/Wood have combined for 1 goal in 7 Hex games. That's incredible. More incredible is Bruce saw that and then benched the guy with 4 goals in the Hex.
     
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  5. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    These two have not been emphasized enough.

    In their first goal, look where Villafaña is! Ream is marking two men and between both because Jorge has gone missing.

    Also, Fabian has always been at least decent as a LB. Time to move him there, but what is he says "no"? After all, he's already imposed the condition of only playing in important games.
     
  6. Fiosfan

    Fiosfan Red Card

    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  7. beerslinger23

    beerslinger23 Member+

    Jun 26, 2010
    There was 2 years of clamoring for Villafana from JK bashers and MLS writers alike. Villafaña, Villafaña they said. Mediocre forwards are making him look like shit. What happens when he has to face good wingers in the WC group stage? We need to admit that JK had the backline right and keep Yeldin and FJ back there. With our best backline we dominated defensively for much of copa 2016. That line needs to be healthy and the backups need to be sorted by Russia IF we qualify.
     
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  8. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Well then he can join the Feilhaber club and enjoy his Bundesliga career.
     
  9. Reccossu

    Reccossu Member+

    Jan 31, 2005
    Birmingham
    I can't really put this one in the rear view. So amateur.

    I hope th team can pull it together somehow.

    Unfortunately they will have to do it with a real nadir in talent.
     
  10. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    We had to deal with Jurgen wasting time with Edgar Castillo and Greg Garza. I guess now it's Arena's turn with Villafana.

    Left back is a tricky position for all NTs, for one because lefties are about 5% of the population, and two that you need players who can adapt in a week for NT duty.

    It's the one position where it can be somewhat excused to stick to a guy who's inconsistent. The only player we've had there doing it well has been Fabian, but he wants to be a winger, so...
     
  11. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Everyone who says no disrespect, means disrespect.

    What is a dupes rational? You mean rationale? And how was I being a "dupe" exactly? Nobody was steering me toward that opinion but myself.

    Individually is the only real way to reasonably compare talent levels. Otherwise you're comparing outcomes, which is influenced by a number of factors, and you could almost always come to the (often wrong) conclusion from that, which is that the team with the better talent won.

    But there's not even close to a consistent outcome between these teams. Did Costa Rica have more collective talent when they lost 4-0 in Chicago last year, or 2-0 at the Gold Cup? Why such a huge fluctuation in outcomes? They are polar opposites to the qualifiers.

    I'd say the drastic difference in the outcomes were as a result of strategies, usage, selections, and man management by the coaches. In Chicago, Costa Rica pressed recklessly, while the U.S. was set up pragmatically; so the U.S. won going away. On the road Klinsmann lost the team by then. In the Gold Cup, Costa Rica didn't have the confidence or desire to press hardly at all, while the U.S. were set up to fit their reasonably selected talent well enough, so they won. Last Friday Costa Rica selectively pressed and admitted the U.S. were too predictable going thru Bradley/playing from the back, while the U.S. also made multiple lineup reaches and miscast players (both which I foresaw), so they had the optics of being the worse team again.

    You'd also be lacking in honesty in this case if you didn't acknowledge that the ref missing key calls and the venue choice; both which Bruce acknowledged in an interview today while claiming no excuses, weren't additional factors in the loss.

    In spite of this, the U.S. still out-shot Costa Rica 14-9.

    I wouldn't say you're employing a "dupes rational" by arguing Costa Rica has more collective talent in spite those points, but maybe confirming a bias.
     
  12. CU soccer

    CU soccer Member

    Mar 28, 2005
    Panama City Beach
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gotta go back way before 2009.

    Probably 1999-2000. The 2001-2012 teams pretty much played "all out" every game. Late 2012 is when the armor started to crack.
     
  13. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Awwww, you guys just miss Donovan.

    Some of those teams probably did work a lot harder. Of course, effort =/= performance.
     
  14. matabala

    matabala Member+

    Sep 25, 2002
    You're duping yourself by believing "they have less talent than we do." Results speak louder than inaccurate words as the Ticos have clearly proven they are a more talented TEAM than the US.

    Wrong, collectively is the only way to compare talent levels. It's a team game, they've beaten us 7 of last 8 qualifiers. They are more talented at winning big games, individual talent be darned.

    The only bias at work here is your rose-colored glasses one towards the losing US team.
     
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  15. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    WCQers USA vs CR:

    9/2/17: CR 2 USA 0
    11/15/16: CR 4 USA 0
    3/22/13: USA 1 CR 0
    6/6/13: CR 3 USA 1
    11/14/09: CR 2 USA 2
    6/3/09: CR 3 USA 1

    That's a 1-4-1 record vs CR.

    CR 14 goals
    USA 5 goals

    They own us.

    Jurgen has the biggest loss but also the only win since 05.
     
  16. Fiosfan

    Fiosfan Red Card

    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  17. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

    Real Madrid, DC United, anywhere Pulisic plays
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I might have started Dempsey and Wood, but starting Altidore is not unreasonable. Clint is 34 years old. As Altidore is out with yellow card accumulation, we'll see Dempsey start the Honduras match alongside Morris, I'm guessing. Wood will come on for Dempsey or Morris, whoever is struggling more.
     
  18. juveeer

    juveeer Member+

    Aug 3, 2006
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    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT
  20. Fiosfan

    Fiosfan Red Card

    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Soon he's going on a book tour ..
     
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  21. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Can't say the idea didn't cross my head, they do look more motivated against us this time around. But that's no excuse, when you're better you're better, and your motivation is expected to match theirs.

    Bruce is starting to sound desperate. Not a good sign. Wonder what he's noticed in training.
     
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  22. Fiosfan

    Fiosfan Red Card

    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  23. juveeer

    juveeer Member+

    Aug 3, 2006
    Me too.

    Let's hope he gets it together tonight and we don't have a repeat of the last time we lost a home qualifier.
     
  24. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Arjen Robben still starting for the Dutch in do or die games...
     
  25. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    I can not understand the constant carping about Altidore. He set up CP with 2 shots in the penalty area and drew a foul in the box when the damn game was still 0-0!

    That's a decent output for a whole game against a team as stingy as CR. They kicked Uruguay's butt with the same core at the World Cup.
     
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