Post-match: USA v Netherlands Round of 16

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by OWN(yewu)ED, Dec 3, 2022.

  1. JUnionFan

    JUnionFan Member+

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Sep 30, 2020
    Well any game plan is juggling risk reward.

    Even if what you say is true, it's still true that they accepted their destiny to sit back and defend because they thought there was less risk in letting us have control.

    If they feared our creativity/scoring prowess more than our athletes in midfield, they would have challenged us to prevent us from having comfortable possession. They didn't, though.
     
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  2. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I was hoping FIFA would ditch auto-qualifiers with 3 hosts.

    The next 3.5 years are going to be both boring as shit as a fan and genuinely detrimental to building a team.
     
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  3. Tmagic77

    Tmagic77 Member+

    Feb 10, 2003
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Yeah, I would guess that specific xG model didn't take into account player positions. It seems to me that all 3 of their goals were better chances than any of ours. I would guess both first half goals would be 0.5+ xG if taking into account defensive/goalie positioning so only 0.48 xG at the half seems way low to me.
     
  4. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    What did Qatar do during qualifying?
     
  5. bct81

    bct81 Member+

    multiple (DC United, Dortmund, Arsenal, Leeds....)
    United States
    Mar 17, 2007
    moving around the US every few years ....
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would dispute this and say it is both - need better talent and better coaching/training.
     
  6. JUnionFan

    JUnionFan Member+

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Sep 30, 2020
    This is something I agree with that has been lost in the shuffle of everything else.

    No offense to Weah, but I don't see much there besides a "he can run fast so dump the ball in behind for him" player with a great shot. Good against specific teams and for specific situations, but far from undroppable for me.
     
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  7. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    van Gaal plays with a legit cam.
     
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  8. porkrind

    porkrind Member+

    Quakes
    United States
    Sep 27, 2001
    Bostonia
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    I don't think we came out dominating. I think we played into the Dutch gameplan / strategy. We did what they expected us to do. Give LvG credit - they scouted us well. Score that first chance and well... who knows?
     
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  9. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    What does "better" mean?
     
  10. spot

    spot Member+

    Nov 29, 1999
    Centennial
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are you saying that on the basis of today or you really think our players are better than theirs?
     
  11. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Qatar participated in the first part of AFC qualifying and then played in both the Gold Cup and Copa America.
     
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  12. bct81

    bct81 Member+

    multiple (DC United, Dortmund, Arsenal, Leeds....)
    United States
    Mar 17, 2007
    moving around the US every few years ....
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Benzema and Haaland each need to marry “An American Woman” and have more than a few sons each.
     
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  13. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I think van Gaal is a great coach. But that said, I thought that while we've had plenty of games without generating chances, this wasn't one of them. We had plenty of chances, especially against a van Gaal team with a lead anchored by van Dijk.

    Like, do you think chance CREATION was our issue today?

    It's the World Cup knockouts. It's against the Dutch, who are more talented than us and have a monster backline. You have to convert your chances no matter how you get them, and Pulisic, Wright and Ream didn't. On the defensive side, we made more errors today than we did all the group stage, but that also has nothing to do with midfield creation.

    I think the discussion is interesting generally, and especially for the future more than today. (I mean, if you watched Gio Reyna today, he's either not 100% or not as good as people think. One or the other. But he's young.)

    But really, chance creation was the issue TODAY?
     
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  14. comoesa

    comoesa Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Christen Press's armpit
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I disagree. For a guy who hardly got time with the team he did fine. In fact all of our forwards did besides Jesus.
     
  15. dlokteff

    dlokteff Member+

    Jan 22, 2002
    San Francisco, CA
    They played in the Gold CUP!!!! The FREAKING GOLD CUP?????? Is there anyway that USSF would be able to pull that off? Never, with those fools in charge.

    admittedly they also played Copa America :notworthy:
     
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  16. spot

    spot Member+

    Nov 29, 1999
    Centennial
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    seeding will still matter. Right?

    The size of the next world cup throws everything we know out the window.
     
  17. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    The Netherlands.

    Better talent. More rested. I think van Gaal is a better coach than Berhalter, but they are stylistically similar.

    We lost on execution today.
     
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  18. porkrind

    porkrind Member+

    Quakes
    United States
    Sep 27, 2001
    Bostonia
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Yeah, but I would welcome him or someone like him. He's 71 though - not sure how much more he wants to do this.
     
  19. DoctorD

    DoctorD Member+

    Sep 29, 2002
    MidAtlantic
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
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    United States
    I understand that part. My recollection though is that in the first 7 minutes our CBs were able to pass it forward. So what changed?

    And BTW, this is why I'm not a fan of a 4-3-3 formation. Unless the forwards are disciplined enough to drop back to a significant extent in these situations, it is hard for the 3 midfielders to get open. McKenzie vs Mexico comes to mind. And yes, I'm sure the Dutch and Barcelona can play the 4-3-3 competently, but it requires a long familiarity with it.
     
  20. madvillain

    madvillain Member+

    Aug 28, 2011
    Club:
    Brooklyn Knights
    It was a good effort, reminded me of the Morocco game a bit. We actually edged them on xG but they have more clinical finishers so not surprising they got 3 and us 1.

    Some questions I have are:

    If Pepi is here, he starts today, right?

    If Gregg rotated more, maybe we don't tire so much in the last 10 and manage to tie it up.

    Who is the next coach and how long do you give Gregg in the new cycle? I can see maybe you keep him around for a year, see who he can recruit, and then move on before the real building for 2026 begins.
     
  21. Lance90

    Lance90 Member

    Feb 7, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    It wouldn't be so bad if we could get lots of friendlies with Euro teams in Europe, but the Nations League has all but wiped those out. So, yes, playing a plethora of non-competitive games against sub-par competition will be a huge hurdle going into 2026.
     
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  22. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    I don't agree with the post you were responding to, but I think their plan the entire time was to avoid the midfield and attack down the flanks. I think this because its what the NED camp keeps saying:

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    And you can see it in action down Robinson's side... they were just looking for ways to release Dumfries whenever Robinson was high up the pitch:

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    normally I think those moves get snuffed out by Adams, but I think his assignment today was to mark Gakpo really closely, which he did well, but the Dutch have more than one dangerman...
     
  23. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    And in a system that doesn't play to his strengths, Lewandowski has 1 goal in 6 games for Poland at World Cups.

    Striker output is largely a function of the team they play in. If you don't build a team behind them that creates chances in varied ways, they're easy to mark out of matches.

    Teams playing the US didn't even need to try to mark our strikers out of games because their job was to...chest balls down at midfield, maybe? I'm still not sure what Berhalter wants from them.
     
  24. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I have no idea why they'd affect set pieces. Or the #9. Or whatever. But you seem locked in.
     
  25. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    There weren't any really good chances though, other than Pulisic, and Wright if he had a better frist touch, but that was created by the Dutch.
     

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