Post-match: USA v Germany WC tune up

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by OWN(yewu)ED, Jun 6, 2026.

  1. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    May 12, 2019
    You can, but one of the worst uses of it is the models and searches based on the full internet. And for some bizarre reason, people who used to say "you can't trust the internet" or "wikipedia is not a source" now implicitly trust everything that comes out of a black box known for making shit up.

    The models can be very good at specific actions with defined data sets. But if it is just aggregating web sources, I don't know why would you wouldn't simply go to the source where it's both more accurate to the source and you can filter easier based on source.

    Cincinnati's biggest defensive issue actually starts up top -- they play defense with 8 guys at most, and often 7. It's simply too hard to do.
     
  2. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    It was easy to take out multi-generations of over-performing keepers for granted, but less than exceptional teams with exceptional keepers - Costa Rica for a time, us for a time - can significantly overperform in tournaments. We picked a bad time to revert to average in the keeping department.
     
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  3. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    As I tell my wife when she uses LLMs - if you want something to tell you what you want to hear, just ask me.

    And I take way less water.
     
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  4. Dervos

    Dervos Member+

    Mar 13, 2002
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    Austin Aztex
    Lol, it's posts like this that make me wish we had more choices than a "thumbs up" when we want to give some rep.

    Good lord Matt.
     
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  5. Winoman

    Winoman Drinkin' Wine Spo-De-O-De!

    Jul 26, 2000
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're neat.
     
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  6. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yep. Like I said, whichever GK plays there will be plenty of opportunities for people to say that the other keeper would have provided a different outcome.
     
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  7. Kirium

    Kirium Member+

    Jun 18, 2007
    Edmond, OK

    Berhalter and Roldan will be feast or famine depending on the opponent, I think. I think both are probably not quite up to speed yet on consistently playing against higher level talent. I think both will be fine, but there are times you can tell it's just a different level. They'll adjust.
     
  8. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    it can actually be a bit worse than just aggregating sources. It is predicting language. That’s where the hallucinations come in—by predicting language it can get things that don’t exist. Which is exactly how lawyers get in trouble—in predicting language, the models know what a court citation looks like, so they create one. And careless lawyers who don’t check submit imaginary cases to the court and get sanctioned. AI is an extremely powerful tool, but only if you understand what its limits are and watch for the kinds of mistakes it makes.
     
  9. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    Miles wasn’t the one who was picked. Miles’ man, Schlotterbeck, comes across Havertz and sets up to screen Ream (who was fronting Havertz). Miles doesn’t react and can’t get close once the ball is played to Kai.

    Miles absolutely could have defended this play better. First by staying tight and following his mark and second by switching onto Kai once Schlotterbeck rubbed past Kai into Ream’s orbit.
     
  10. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yep.
     
  11. Trav-Man

    Trav-Man Member

    Jun 7, 2007
    Dallas, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yea I've seen the comments about Freese needing to be set up better, and that may also be true, but Miles's guy setting the pick like that should have caused him to be way more proactive. Instead he's caught flat-footed and basically covering nobody.

    He's also caught ball-watching, covering nobody, a couple minutes later that was luckily not a goal because it went out of bounds. You could make the case Tillman should have been tracking back faster, but Miles has to read the play there and step to Havertz IMO.
     
  12. nbarbour

    nbarbour Member+

    Jun 19, 2006
    Washington DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think they'll be much feasting with those two. Best case is they hang on for the ride and don't cost us. It's a shame that better players that can play at a higher level were left home.
     
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  13. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Unfortunately they're not eligible for the US.
     
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  14. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
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    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who are you talking about that "can play at a higher level" being left home? Seems like, unless you're batshit crazy like a few people on here, you're talking about Morris and Tessmann. I wanted Morris on the team, and thought Tessmann might make it. But the difference is coach's preference. The difference in quality between Roldan/Berhalter/Morris/Tessman is very small. Negligible, even. They are 4 different players of similar level that offer different skillsets.
     
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  15. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am a Tessmann fan but I had to pick two FCD players who would be on the WC team of each new jersey. Zendejas is kind of shocking but I didn't choose Tessmann because he was just ok with the US and was on the bench a lot near the end of the season in France. So Pepi and Richards were my picks (I already have a McKennie).
     
  16. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    No ice.
     
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  17. le jessster

    le jessster Member

    Everton FC
    United States
    May 15, 2025
    And this was without even seeing the sophisticated free kick strategies Havertz and co do with Arsenal. I hope Poch has been running remedial sessions.
     
  18. Calling BS

    Calling BS Member+

    Orlando City
    United States
    Jan 25, 2020
    It had angle, spin/curve, pace, and five open players/ possible targets. There was zero margin for error just to have any chance at that. I could see Turner taking a chance and messing that up (and then we’d be talking about Turner and his keeping error costing us a goal.
     
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  19. Calling BS

    Calling BS Member+

    Orlando City
    United States
    Jan 25, 2020
    If he was man marking, but his assignment might have been to keep his space covered. Idk. My guess is you’re correct by the way he tried to scramble, unfortunately too late, to get Havertz
     
  20. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
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    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    Yep - I’m surprised to hear that Arena and T-Rex Guzan think Freese was much of an issue on that play.
     
  21. nbarbour

    nbarbour Member+

    Jun 19, 2006
    Washington DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I guess Tessmann and Musah lost their eligibility
     
  22. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Both are former keepers though. I'd like to hear from some of the top current keepers but that won't happen. Arena said it was obviously not going to be a shot. So right there is he right? If so Freese should have been farther out. If that's incorrect he was in the right spot. Then if he's farther out would that have been enough to guarantee he reaches for at least a punch?
     
  23. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    Yeah - it’s like they are arguing based on where the ball went in hindsight. It’s fair to argue his positioning could have been a little better. I still don’t think he’s getting to that ball and I don’t think Guzan does any better. It was a really difficult ball that left him bad choices, especially since Havertz was wide open.
     
  24. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Tessman hasn't played a full 90 in 3 months and missed the end of the season through injury and Musah has started twice this year, being pulled at half-time against Inter.

    Musah looked promising about 5 years ago, apparently that makes him a automatic starter for life in some people's eyes.
     
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  25. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    ....................but if Freese hadn't set up his wall like that, and was positioned differently, maybe it would have been a shot on goal. We'll never know.

    We see in his behavior. Right when that ball was struck, and he realized it wasn't a shot on goal, he stepped out a little bit. He had to make an instantaneous assessment about whether he could get out there to punch the ball or not. It looks like he made an immediately correct assessment and stepped back.

    He wouldn't have gotten close to that ball if he'd come out.
    He had very little chance to save that header unless it was directly at him.
    He was screwed one way or the other.

    The problem on the play was that Havertz was friggin' wide open and the cross was immaculately placed on his forehead. If that header was directly at Freese's torso, he would have saved it. Otherwise, no chance.
     
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