USA goalkeeper discussion thread - Episode IV: A New Hope

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by OWN(yewu)ED, Jul 9, 2023.

  1. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    I’d love to see a Guzan return.
     
  2. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    I'd love to see neg rep return. :cool:
     
  3. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
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    You would negative rep someone for appreciating an older player getting one more shot in a time when the position is unsettled?

    No wonder the feature was removed.
     
  4. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    I miss getting neg reps
     
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  5. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Can't think of two USMNT legends whose soccer analysis I'd be less interested in hearing... appropriate that Howard and LD have a podcast together.
     
  6. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    How many USMNT soccer legends giving their analyses you know? Just don't tell me that Keller is better than Landon or Howard.
     
  7. GoodHands

    GoodHands Member

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Jul 17, 2024
    I agree. it is the best way to know people are actually reading posts. Only having positive rep skews the reps to almost meaningless drivel.
    Say you see a post with five positive reps you would think it was a well liked post but, if that same post had 5 positive reps and 15-20 negative ones then it would be clear that the post was at least controversial.
    Only having positive reps makes the rep system virtually useless.
    In fact I would be in favor of no reps at all instead of only positive ones.
     
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  8. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Honestly they're all terrible... and most of the non-legends are just as bad or worse!

    Too bad so many of them are taking easy talking head opinion guy jobs where there is no quality control instead of actually improving American soccer as executives or coaches.

    Not all of them have to be Earnie Stewart or Jesse Marsch, guys like Lalas Wynalda Beasley just get off my TV and go coach some obscure lower division team like John Harkes please.
     
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  9. GoodHands

    GoodHands Member

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Jul 17, 2024
    No. But even Julie Foudy is at least no worse than those two.
     
  10. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    I suspect Eric Wynalda spilling the beans about the affair ended Harkes' television career, at least once all contractual obligations were fulfilled. Because he had a 5 year stint with ESPN/ABC that appears to have ended not long after that revelation.
     
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  11. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're probably right, and it's great that outside of a few dozen lower division soccer players the rest of us don't have to see or hear Harkes anymore.
     
  12. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's two young dual nat goalkeepers besides Diego Kochen (06) who are getting closer to the first teams... but sure let's talk about Brad Guzan who laughed at the suggestion he could return to the national team like a week ago.

    Italian-American goalkeeper Giorgio De Marzi (07’) training with AS Roma first team


    French-American goalkeeper Adam Delpace ('06) at RC Lens


     
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  13. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
  14. GoodHands

    GoodHands Member

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Jul 17, 2024
    I know this was presented as a joke but I believe Pulisic would never make much as a goalkeeper. He is short, but that does not eliminate him as a GK, see Jorge Campos from Mexico. But his physical strength is too low for modern goalkeeping as well. One good bump from a modern center back and he would be 3 feet back in the goal.
    The other thing is that moving him that far away from the other team's goal limits his effectiveness.
    We've heard of the "sweeper keeper" see Campos again and we have goalkeepers that also played striker, see both Campos and Meola but nobody has yet played "striker keeper" but, given his speed, Pulisic just might pull it off. i can see it now, Pulisic makes a great save on what looks like a sure goal, runs to the edge of the box and rolls the ball forward to himself. dribbles the ball around the entire other team and shoots from just outside the opponents box and curls the ball just inside the far post beating the goalkeeper by several feet. Thereby he makes a two goal difference on one play.

    I wonder if we can convince Milan to give that a try. That way we can see the effectiveness without much risk to the USMNT.
    The problem with that is that, if he pulls it off, then the other good players at Milan will demand a similar opportunity and Milan could end up with a team of xxxxxxx/keepers and give real headaches to their coach. ;) :D :D :D ;)
     
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  15. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    [QUOTE="GoodHands, post: 42656616, member: 367280" We've heard of the "sweeper keeper" see Campos again and we have goalkeepers that also played striker, see both Campos and Meola but nobody has yet played "striker keeper" but, given his speed, Pulisic just might pull it off. i can see it now, Pulisic makes a great save on what looks like a sure goal, runs to the edge of the box and rolls the ball forward to himself. dribbles the ball around the entire other team and shoots from just outside the opponents box and curls the ball just inside the far post beating the goalkeeper by several feet. Thereby he makes a two goal difference on one play. [/QUOTE]

    Campos would almost do that if he caught a team pushed up too far and a wide lane opened. My son loved Campos and did that at a game one time and I thought the coach was going to have a heart attack. It was around eight years old. It worked out but I think he was given instruction not to do that again.
     
  16. GoodHands

    GoodHands Member

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Jul 17, 2024
    Yeah. He was the most flamboyant player I have ever seen and, mostly, he backed it up. Unfortunately he made the mistake of playing in MLS at the near end of his career and many folks never really saw his best play. I miss him and his ilk.
    When I played I played both 'keeper and forward but I never ever tried to combine the two and, had i tried, I probably would have failed.
    I did have one little thing i did that drove my coach nuts. If I got the ball in my hands, this was back when GKs were only allowed three steps after getting the ball in their hands, and I saw a clear route out of the box, I would roll the ball into that route and then dribble the ball to ten to fifteen yards outside the box and try to find a wing running up the field on the opposite side and then try to lay the ball in his path.
    After I did that I often would glance at my coach and I swear that sometimes he looked like he was on the edge of a heart attack or a fit. But I got away with it and even produced more than a few shots on goal and even some goals. He never chewed me out for it but I had the strong feeling that, if it ever failed, I would receive the worst Russian accented German chew out he could produce.
    Sometimes it is better to be lucky than good. ;) :D
     
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  17. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Campos did that to the Burn at the Cotton Bowl. Snagged a ball out of the air rolled it forward and took off with it. Slotted it into space and the Galaxy forward had an easy goal. The key is the other team all pushed way up leaving a huge window of space and a player or two sprinting forward for an easy pass. Trying to force it can end a career.
     
  18. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Slonina not even able to make the bench if a cup game for Barnsley. Color me concerned.
     
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  19. iad_22201

    iad_22201 Member+

    Jan 2, 2009
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Slonina has been out with an injury for the last few weeks. He's expected to be back sometime in December.
     
  20. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Yeah. Tore a ligament in his finger. Right?
    The injury happened in mid-November and they expected him to be out as much as 6 weeks.
    We might not see him until 2025.
     
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  21. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  22. Khan

    Khan Member+

    Mar 16, 2000
    On the road
    Its the way of the world nowadays.

    Even the Church got rid of the "Devil's Advocate."
     
  23. GoodHands

    GoodHands Member

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Jul 17, 2024
    I did not know that the "Church" was actually in the business of getting rid of movies. Even though that one was highly regarded I still did not like it much. ;) It is well confined to the dust bin of bad movies that proport to be good. I would rather watch "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes" or "Plan 9 From Outer space" or "Heaven's Gate" before I would watch that stinker again.
     
  24. Khan

    Khan Member+

    Mar 16, 2000
    On the road
    I favor having a "Devils Advocate," just as I favor neg reps.
     
  25. Inter*Milan

    Inter*Milan Red Card

    Inter Milan
    Italy
    Dec 2, 2024
    Imagine if he knew how to set up a wall.
     

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