USA-Ecuador. The midfield

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  1. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Morris started out a bit off the pace but caught up. Tessman looked very good. He should get at least a half next match; he might be a starter for us, at lesser known a rotational basis, or if we play with 3 in the middle.

    Roldan maximizes his talent, and I appreciate and respect that. But if he makes the team, he’s gotta be the last option.
     
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  2. comoesa

    comoesa Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Christen Press's armpit
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Morris has got to be more precise in his challenges.

    Everyone else played solid to great. Tillman probably is a Bayern (Munich) level player (he's not the complete product yet and he's already this good. Tessman finally had a good a game at the perfect time and translated his club play to the national team.
     
  3. sXeWesley

    sXeWesley Member+

    Jun 18, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not a word about MOTM Malik and his 6 chances created, assist and usual stellar defensive work?

    Morris and Tessman both proved to be competent international players now against a very good opponent, Tessman’s hockey assist on the goal, immaculate.
     
  4. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have Tillman as a forward :cool:
     
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  5. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Morris, Tessman, McKennie, Tillman. That foursome rather bossed Ecuador until the subs, and Roldan and Luna didn't drop the level too much after they settled into the match.

    I want to see better, cleaner, crisper from Morris. It wasn't a great game for him, but he didn't muck it up apart from one fatal mistake, either.

    Tillman was a boss.

    Tessman was better than one might notice.
     
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  6. sXeWesley

    sXeWesley Member+

    Jun 18, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Haha touché!
     
  7. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah I consider the wide attackers in a 3-4-3 as forwards, not midfielders, but that’s just semantics.

    Also, otherwise, this thread is just about 1 guy.
     
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  8. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    If I’m a midfielder in this pool…and I wasn’t here this window. (Rather voluntarily or hurt or not called in)…. I’m not feeling very comfortable about next summer. Particularly if I’m not named Tyler.

    and even if my name is Tyler….im not feeling certain about whether my spot in the lineup is safe.
     
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  9. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Musah in particular. If he plays well with his club he’s make the roster. If he struggles, he may or may not make the roster as the last CM.

    For a player to start for us in 2022, not have a really bad injury, and not even make it in 2026 would be one heck of a career landmark.
     
  10. twoolley

    twoolley Member+

    Jan 3, 2008
    I don’t think morris is a starter and maybe doesnt make the team but he bounced back in second half.
     
  11. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    Yep.

    In 2022…. I said there were gonna be a couple of really good players that weren’t gonna start for us and people shouldn’t complain about it because that’s what happens on good teams ( turned out to be Reyna and I disagreed with that but he was only gonna replace another real good player)

    next summer….unless Poch goes insane….there are gonna be a few good players who don’t make it and the players they’d replace are…also really good players.
     
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  12. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It depends on who it is & how you deploy them. Pulisic & Weah are much more forward-ish in a 433 or 4231 setup.

    The 343 is a lot more fluid, and Tillman & Wes come inside more, play underneath more to form a MF square more, etc. Both those dudes have some CM in their soccer DNA. And the WBs do really provide most of the width.

    One could make a not completely silly argument it plays like 325 when we are attacking.
     
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  13. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought he was good both halves. Not perfect, certainly. But good.
     
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  14. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    In fact, Poch was asked in the post-game press conference about the formation tonight, and he said it was a 4-2-3-1 when we didn't have the ball, and a 3-2-5 when we were in possession.

    He also didn't think the formation was very similar to the one we used against Japan.
     
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  15. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Generally, I'd agree with you, but today McKennie and Tillman almost unquestionably played like midfielders, and it mostly played like a box midfield in front of a back 3, with two wingbacks were were definitely primarily attackers.

    Pulisic less so when he came on. He played more like a deeper forward or trequartista...
     
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  16. ifsteve

    ifsteve Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Jul 7, 2013
    MS and ID
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All I can say about the midfield - Bossed Ecuador around. Well done. Some pretty good midfielders aren't going to make the final roster.
     
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  17. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    It’s only one game - and only one opponent, but it felt like we had a little more cohesion going forward in part because we didn’t have side and back pass Adams or Musah in the side. I’m a big fan of both guys and this isn’t all on them - but there have been times under Berhalter when we’ve just churned possession with no ideas on how to breakdown a team in a defensive shell. Yesterday felt like we had guys who could progress the ball better and make more dangerous passes. Arfsten also contributed to making us better offensively.

    I say felt because I don’t know if the facts actually support this viewpoint but I was impressed by Tessman and how he seemed to make us more dangerous, not less.
     
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  18. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    this is hard for me to parse, because tactically i think we are using our cms in a truly asinine way.

    if you accept the premise that we are/are going to continue playing 3atb/wbs with 2 6/8s to shore us up defensively thats an awful lots of numbers in "defense". obviously arfsten, for example isnt a "defensive" player- but positions/roles that presumably require some level of defensive effort, right?

    so why are we seeing them (morris and tesserman last night) crazy high up the pitch, on one of the sidelines, combining with that sides respective wb and "10"? we vacate the middle entirely too often, and see those guys scrambling back (and back inside) so much. now, adams doesnt tend to go on walkabout too often, but we saw seb taking up very similar positions throughout the gc window.

    and thats all super if you think we are even potentially some overwhelming offensive side with attacking wbs and even our 2 mids pushing high. but look at the goal last night- morris went all in on a tackle in a defensive transition which is what we want, right? how many times have we complained about our cms not stepping to the ball, trying to stop it rather than just backtracking?

    i dont think that instinct was wrong at all, it just didnt come off. it happens. but importantly, we had our back 3 in position (though a bit too high, which i guess you have to do in an offensive juggernaut). richards got beat in an essentially open field and ream was never, ever, ever gonna get back to help.

    theres a disconnect in the setup and the way we are playing in it. we have the numbers and within the confines of our pool the guys to fill these roles to "make up" for less than impressive cbs and keepers. i get that. it makes sense.

    but we arent playing like that. we are still isolating our cbs (while playing right into that keeping another/better field player off the pitch trope) and leaving our keepers facing an attacker clear of our backline.

    despite the setup, the appearance of solidifying our defense, we are just cheating entirely too much. and the irony is- exactly how much do morris, tesserman or a theoretical cardoso bring as wide playmakers? if thats what we are going to do why isnt wes in that role?

    so the question is how does that change when tyler is in/poch decides we need at least one of our cms to actually stay in the center of the midfield? do we have one "6" and the other pushes higher, hopefully at least centrally to support our all out attack?

    cause right now our cms in practice are ream/rcb. the very reason we "need" to play such a seemingly defensive setup are even worse cbs backtracking from the halfway line.

    we still cant defend. we still cant build out of the back. and its not even improving the attack (play wes and malik as the cms if you want to have 7 attackers on the pitch). either one is more mobile and probably better defensively than our other cms anyways.

    it just doesnt make sense to me at all. sit adams and tesserman on top of the back three (with tanner distributing and very selectively getting a bit forward) and we can talk but i think we are a hot mess.
     
  19. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1. Arfsten had a terrific game in attack. He dominated their right back.
    2. I think playing 3 ATB allowed the mids to take more risks with passes (their one goal notwithstanding.). Having 3 behind you instead of 2 and/or having 3 guys who can really defend lowers the risk on those risk/reward moments.
     
  20. twoolley

    twoolley Member+

    Jan 3, 2008
    Ecuador has an incredibly stout defense. Not generating a ton of chances against them is expected and we definitely were more likely to win. Meanwhile they had basically one real chance.

    Nothing about the last game was “completely asinine.” However, i do get what you’re saying about sometimes the midfield being left a bit open for counters.
     
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  21. keller4president

    Jan 5, 2006
    There is no game situation at the World Cup where we need Roldan.
    If we’re up a goal, bring in someone more defensive like Morris, Tessman, Musah.
    If we’re up against a bunkering team, bring in Tessman or Cardoso.
    If we’re down a goal, we need someone with more offensive skills. Brendan, Musah, etc.
     
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  22. ifsteve

    ifsteve Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Jul 7, 2013
    MS and ID
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was with until you put Musah in the offensive skills part. Too funny.
     
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  23. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I have no idea how much is tactical, how much is instruction and how much is confidence (and how all those things can be wrapped together) but the team is just slowing evolving into being more confidence and aggressive offensively.

    Guys are trying shit on the dribble or the pass they wouldn't previously. Even guys that maybe have no business doing it. And they mostly pulled it off. But even when they didn't ... and this is the big thing for me ...

    ... the counter press got it back. I think a lot of the change comes from really adapting the mindset of "it's okay if I turn it over ... I can just get it right back." Or, "my teammate will get it back."

    You've got Tanner Tessman with fancy footwork in his own half, or Alex Freeman trying to pop up a pass over the defender and run around him. Weston hitting a one time long ball over the top.

    Definite mindset change.
     
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  24. keller4president

    Jan 5, 2006
    so if we’re down a goal, you want Roldan coming in off the bench to save us? Maybe not Musah, but there’s like 7 guys I’d want in before Roldan.
     
  25. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Musah certainly has much more offensive skills that Roldan. We have already seen that at the World Cup level.
     
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