US women soccer players want equal pay to US men's team.

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by SUDano, Mar 31, 2016.

  1. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They're going to have to play the NL games. I think they'd lose a lot of their good faith if they boycott/forfiet those.
     
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  2. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    Im sorry…I’m not trying to be a dick…but did you really not know this?
     
  3. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I didn't realize there was a formal PA. I'm an idiot.
     
  4. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    Well you’ll get no argument from me on this point :D
     
  5. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    If the USSF CBA deals cause our national team rivals to absolutely implode... Then that's a good reason to support the deals. ;)
     
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  6. Beau Dure

    Beau Dure Member+

    May 31, 2000
    Vienna, VA
    Historically, the Athletes Council has tended to vote as a bloc.

    I'm not entirely sure they did so in the Cordeiro-Cone election.
     
  7. CANPRO

    CANPRO Member+

    Dec 23, 2002
    This is exactly what happened with Canada. Our players also forget that the CSA (while inept) doesn’t have the money that the USSF has.
     
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  8. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is why 90% of the population lives near the US border. They want our soccer money.

    You guys must be pretty depressed at the moment.
     
  9. CANPRO

    CANPRO Member+

    Dec 23, 2002
    We're going to world cup for the first time since I was 3 years old. Not depressed, far from it. Canadian supporters understand the CSA sucks, it's just obvious to everyone else now.
     
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  10. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  11. theboogeyman

    theboogeyman Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    If the women had any self awareness they would be incredibly embarrassed by this. They only care about money, though, and will always get their asses kissed by the media.
     
  12. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
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  13. Chastaen

    Chastaen Member+

    Alavés
    Jul 9, 2004
    Winnipeg
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It does seem a step back to sit at home while the man makes the money for you.
     
  14. dna77054

    dna77054 Member+

    Jun 28, 2003
    houston
    Surely, they would refuse to enrich themselves from money earned in a country that criminalizes homosexuality and in which women are not treated equal under the law in many aspects. They should refuse this blood money or donate it to women's rights organizations that focus on the Middle East. Time to take a knee, ladies.
     
  15. dlokteff

    dlokteff Member+

    Jan 22, 2002
    San Francisco, CA
    Get paid, baby. Can't blame 'em.
     
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  16. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    if i am reading this right they get nothing now. the money is pooled with the 23 prize money then divied out to the men and women who make those teams. the 23 team hasn't been picked much less played much less getting any money yet.

    the men in turn will get their share of the women's money. should they reject their own prize money on the same principles advocated by some of you eg human rights. should they turn down women's money on some sort of capitalist principle. "i didn't win that, either?" you're telling half the story.

    buried behind the repackaged rhetoric is the same, defeated idea that teams should keep their own winnings even if it means men and women get paid different and we get PR flak and sued. and they spend millions of USSF dollars defending a lawsuit contrary to the charity's principles. not sure if some of you understand charity vs for profit. that there are laws against charities doing revenue sharing as that is a definitional for profit action.

    and, oh, btw, i remember the other argument at the time was "a deal is a deal." this is the new deal. what happened to that principle.

    in 2018 the women would have made nothing off the men sucking. as would the men. the men would have made some money off the women managing anything. and in 23 the story will flip. the men will maybe get a little walking around money they didn't earn. i think your real beef is the socialism of it all. it's a charity intended to promote both sexes not a business. and the underlying thing you're in denial in is the men typically have jobs with salaries dwarfing their bonus -- hence walking around money -- while this may help financially establish and encourage continued participation by elite women whose NWSL salaries may look like what a teacher makes.
     
  17. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    I missed* this.

    * this is a lie
     
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  18. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What is the defeater for this idea?

    If you're suggesting it's the legal fineprint regarding what a non-profit can or cannot do... that's fair enough from a legal sense. It in no way defeats the argument that it's very weird that players are getting (or will be getting) awarded hundreds of thousands of dollars based specifically on the direct outcome of competitive matches that they have nothing at all to do with.

    It's a bad look whether it's women or men profiting in this way. Either way, the women's arguments have fallen flat since the beginning for many, many reasons. But if this is the way it must be based on USSF being a charity, technically... that's fine. That's how it has to be.

    Regardless, without knowing the exact specifics of how the reward money is doled out for cup success... how is it at all insidious to feel it's reasonable that the performance-related rewards would favor the people directly responsible for... the performance? It's not the men's fault, as people who are performing and achieving success in a hugely commercially event, that the public at large puts tons of money and attention into the World Cup and not the Women's World Cup.
     
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  19. tio_sam

    tio_sam Member

    Jul 28, 2009
    Chicago, Illinois, United States
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    in my experience, if they weren't embarrassed by asking for the money they sure won't feel embarrassed to take it. we should be embarrassed as society for allowing this.
     
  20. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    True equality is getting 50% of the money someone else earned.

    I guess.
     
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  21. Southern Man

    Southern Man Member

    Jun 14, 2008
    I am not an expert but I have run a charity and helped another qualify for 501(c)(3) status. Can you list some of those laws so that I can read them?
     
  22. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    There is a lot more things to be embarrassed more as a society. This barely gets on the radar of societal problems.
     
  23. brittkamp

    brittkamp Member

    Nov 22, 2003
    Connecticut
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I read about his on some other sites (yahoo, etc) the comments were awful! Sexist and homophobic and mean! The women did not cover themselves in glory during this whole thing and not mentioning the USMNT during the PR contract signing was I thought BS and looks really bad now. I love the USWNT and always will but I believe some humility will go a long way to easing the awful rhetoric!
     
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  24. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If the 23rd best female player makes a life changing amount of money next year because of this deal, I think I'll sleep just fine.
     
  25. GiallorossiYank

    GiallorossiYank Member+

    Jan 20, 2011
    NJ/Roma/Napoli
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm happy for the women - but that doesn't absolve how they dragged the mens team through the mud the last few years lol
     
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