US women soccer players want equal pay to US men's team.

last, you do grasp that the women's lawsuit continues to this day, and that they might be saying things similar to what i am, and that this might have some -- shall we say -- implications for treating me like an idiot? you know, that a federal court either agrees with me or thinks a jury is needed to sort out the ambiguities, despite your superficial label arguments? if the court believed your theory was the only reasonable one, the case would have been long dismissed, my poor dear child.

a "label" does not equal a "reality." some people initially thought coronavirus was flu. this is basic philosophy with legal implications. the reason juries exist is you say black i say white and someone else is appointed to sort that out.

now, i might buy it as "reality" if you looked at everything, but you're holding a single form sheet of paper up and that doesn't constitute "reality" to me. other than it's a printed form in english from the IRS. it is at best an expression of what YOU believed, or wanted me to believe. which might hint at truth (or perhaps your personal truth) but could also be wrong or fraud. the spectrum.

i think part of the myopia here is outside of the 4 walls of their premises businessmen are not the kings they think themselves. non-employees don't have to believe you. courts don't have to trust you. your employees can get uncomfortable ideas considered. we can say some sheet of paper doesn't mean what you think it does. i know. shocking.

 

Looks like the boss caught him.

 

This new 3 week shelter-in-place order might force me to wade through all of these rambling posts. Maybe.

 

would it kill you to hit reply so we can try to follow what in the world ur even talking about.

 

How fantastic that our Federation has so many fiscal issues they now have shut down the DA Program. The women have every right to be litigious, and the Federation has every right to be stupidly tone-deaf in their quest to lose money to lawyers.

I also reserve my right to return to my former self as a sexist eurosnob faking a Scouse accent on Saturday mornings.

 

Welp, that didn’t pan out. I guess if you already get paid more you have a tough time winning a lawsuit that claims the opposite.

The Court has GRANTED summary judgment in favor of US Soccer on the #USWNT Equal Pay Act Claim, saying that no material issue of fact exists for trial. pic.twitter.com/NeuvIVcniD

— Kelsey Trainor (@ktrain_11) May 1, 2020

 

I thought the quote about them being shocked was funny. Are you really?

 

I think many of them are...... It's hard to say from the outside, but the tone of what was said in the last many months seemed to be that of a group that was so busy listening only to the like minded that it never occurs that there is a broader world to be heard.
This really should never have been allowed to get to this point, and both USSF and the USWNT have been their own worst enemies.

 

Great take. Agreed. Will be interested to see what comes next. I suspect they’ll challenge it.

 

For those wondering how long an appeal would take for the USWNT's pay equity claim, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals (where this appeal would go), estimates 12-20 months from the notice of appeal date for a civil case like this one. pic.twitter.com/tzlDtJ69lt

— Steven Bank (@ProfBank) May 1, 2020

 

From the BBC:

US Women's equal pay claim dismissed by court

 

Common sense wins the day.


"We are shocked and disappointed," said Levinson. "We will not give up our hard work for equal pay.
"We are confident in our case and steadfast in our commitment to ensuring that girls and women who play this sport will not be valued as lesser just because of their gender."


They are not valued as lesser just because of gender.

They are valued as lesser because they are not as good.

BIG difference.

 

Kinda laughed not gonna lie

 

I'm shocked that the sorority is shocked by the decision. I'm shocked that the lawyer actually believes that his clients are fighting for equal pay for all girls and women who play soccer in the USA.

What this lawsuit is actually about: the aging stars of the USWNT getting one last payday.

The hard truth is that the women's national team players negotiated guaranteed contracts, that insured not only their financial security, but also their spot on the team. The payouts to their male counterparts are on a per appearance basis. No call up....no money.

Are they underpaid? Given the current state of the world, it's really difficult to feel sorry for a very small group of individuals who are arguing that they are under paid while they collect six figure salaries to play a game.

 

Maybe they're underpaid. Maybe they're not.

I'm just glad they lost. I don't like this particular group of women.

 

"The history of negotiations between the parties demonstrates that the WNT rejected an offer to be paid under the same pay-to-play structure as the MNT".

They rejected what they are now demanding as part of the CBA negotiations one year before they brought the lawsuit.

“Accordingly, plaintiffs cannot now retroactively deem their CBA worse than the MNT CBA by reference to what they would have made had they been paid under the MNT’s pay-to-play terms structure when they themselves rejected such a structure."

 

Yup
Many of them are also hypocrites for not showing respect for other players standing up for their political views and values.

Jaelene Hinkle anyone?

 

Or, in the current state of the world, they collect six figure salaries while not playing a game.

 

For pure entertainment purposes, I'd like to see the men file suit due to not getting paid during COVID because all games are cancelled, while the women are receiving their salaries while they sit at home doing nothing. Then put Rapino on tv and have her answer to it.

 

It would never happen, but it would definitely be interesting. Maybe BBC's HARDTalk would do it.

 

I like the USMNT because I can complain about their coaches, players, game plan and performance.

I no longer follow the USWNT because if I think anything is flawed I am suddenly considered sexist.

The vibe of US Soccer used to be the scrappy underdog that fought for it's country. Now it seems to be just entitled and demanding.

 

that isn't what the judge said...reading is important people

 

The women's arguments have simply been part of the rise of group-identity and self-victimization as a dominant strain of discourse in this country. I can't say I have any special animosity towards them considering someone won the presidency through such appeals.

But the path forward lies in growing a stronger NWSL, rather than suing for the $66 million FIFA gave the French men's team. Last season, the NWSL averaged over 7000, a record. If the league continues to grow then the ladies will be rewarded.