US vs. Mexico. the defense (R)

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by superdave, Feb 11, 2009.

  1. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For a shutout, not too great. Hejduk tackled well. Howard came up big when he had to.
     
  2. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    Chicago
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Lot of scary moments from the defense. I love the guy, but Boca scared the **** out of me on several occasions. Gooch was pretty good. Pierce looked good moving up, but got beat a few times. Frankie looked good on both sides of the ball as well - making good runs and strong tackles.

    The defense needs to shore up a bit more, even with the shutout.
     
  3. Barcasox

    Barcasox Member

    Mar 26, 2008
    Club:
    Athletic Club Bilbao
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Centrebacks were a bit shaky, but Timmay was a beast in goal. We can't thank him enough, and when we see Mexico start a horrible goalie like sanchez, it makes me feel better b/c i know our sometimes shaky defense is backed up by a world-class goalie who won't make a mistake.
     
  4. Tertius

    Tertius Member

    Mar 12, 2001
    Delray Beach, FL
    Club:
    DC United
    Servicable. I love Frankie, the guy plays his guts out every single time and looks like he is having a ball doing it. Boca and Gooch were OK, but against tougher competition I dunno. Not that Mexico isn't tough but...

    I'm not sure Pearce is good enough for this team.
     
  5. Maitreya

    Maitreya Member+

    Apr 30, 2007
    Providence, RI
    This game does open up the debate about Gooch and Boca again, but it's hard to think of anyone who could come in and be better than those two. There's been a lot of talk in the past about how Gooch and Boca didn't fit well together as a pairing, but I don't think that was the problem tonight. The problem, imo, is their individual abilities. Unless there is a clearly better player out there (there isn't), I don't think messing with the pairing is the thing to do.
     
  6. Barcasox

    Barcasox Member

    Mar 26, 2008
    Club:
    Athletic Club Bilbao
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If Gooch was partnered by a fast guy, It'd be perfect. That's why I can't wait for Spector to get healthy
     
  7. Asprilla9

    Asprilla9 Member

    Dec 15, 2000
    Beaverton, OR
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Frankie was the obvious bright spot back there. Heath Pearce? What was that, friend? not impressed.

    way too many poor clearances in bad passes in the Mexico half for me. We need Spector back and at top form. Please...


    (And Howard obviously is the man, that goes without saying)
     
  8. ElRoss425

    ElRoss425 Member

    Apr 24, 2002
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If Spector gets healthy and in form I'd like to see him in place of Pearce. That guy blows. Ok, he doesn't blow, but his crossing was awful and cost us a couple chances.
     
  9. Barcasox

    Barcasox Member

    Mar 26, 2008
    Club:
    Athletic Club Bilbao
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    or we could do Boca-Spector-Gooch-Dolo
     
  10. Nutmeg

    Nutmeg Member+

    Aug 24, 1999
    Pearce was awful. Boca was a train wreck. Gooch was OK. Frankie was great.
     
  11. lmorin

    lmorin Member+

    Mar 29, 2000
    New Hampshire
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Too true, unfortunately. USA lucked out, defensively. The worst showing in a long time. Frankie was Frankie and the most consistent. Perhaps Pearce was consistent, too. I just don't have high expectations for him, and unfortunately, he met them.

    Gooch was fair, but clearly a step up from Boca who was poor.

    I was not impressed by anyone from Europe except Bradley and Beasley. Cause and effect? Not sure.
     
  12. Smithsoccer1721

    Smithsoccer1721 Member+

    Feb 16, 2007
    Middle of the Table
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought Gooch had a above average game. How many times did he read the play and step in to win a long through ball? I thought he played pretty good. We have all seen him play better but I think he had a better game than some posters are giving him credit for. Pearce is punching above his weight class right now.
     
  13. FirstStar

    FirstStar Hustlin' for the USA

    Fulham Football Club
    Feb 1, 2005
    Time's Arrow
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gooch was very good, but we have no one else to pair him with. Boca is the best we have and he had a sub-par game but is still playing well for his club and gets a pass from me.

    Frankie was good, until he got hurt. After that is was utterly stupid of Bob to leave him in.

    Pearce was not good. But was still better than anyone else we have playing that position.
     
  14. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Our clearances sucked. That was the only area of weakness for us tonight. We were pretty good marking and in the tackle, and Howard was great.
     
  15. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't KNOW if this would work, but I'd really like to see Spector in the middle with Gooch (who was very good tonight) and Boca out left.
     
  16. Bigrose30

    Bigrose30 Member+

    Sep 11, 2004
    Jersey City, NJ
    I'll speak in the defense of the centerbacks.

    When the fullbacks are flying forward the entire game, and the other team is playing ball after ball over the top, and #9 is constantly trying to draw fouls, the wind is blowing 35 mph and the field is slick and soggy...and you pitch a shutout...

    I like it.

    Hejduk does what Hejduk does. Runs like hell for 90 minutes. The guy has been surfing since November and trains for two weeks and gives that performance? He'll be in the mix for the next cycle.

    There's no way Heath Pearce is an international level player. He is benign going forward. Picks his spot, gets his man isolated, then realizes he can't beat a player or serve an early cross effectively. His one-v-one defending was atrocious. If Mexico had Guardado, they immediately would have moved him over to Pearce's side and things would have gotten ugly. Hansa Rostock ought to inquire about replacing him with Frankie.
     
  17. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Heath did a fair job keeping Gio in check, but not like that's a great achievement at this point.
     
  18. Swazicar

    Swazicar Member

    Jun 10, 2004
    Portland, Ore.
    This sounds closer to what I saw than what many others apparently saw. While Pearce doesn't seem to be a player one would want to start, I do think that, generally, having Beasley work back and Pearce serve as an outlet was an effective tactic.
     
  19. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ironically it seemed the centerbacks to be the shakiest part of our game today, and Pearce. IMO we need to get Spector out and running out there ASAP. But Boca-Gooch, theyve been really, really solid and reliable up until today soill obviously give slack. Not a horrible game but they can both do much better. Heydude.....legend.
     
  20. Mr Martin

    Mr Martin Member+

    Jun 12, 2002
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The point is basically correct, but the spread is too wide.

    Pearce was weak. Boca was dodgy. Gooch was average. Hejduk was above average. And Howard was very good.

    One of the iffyest shutout's you'll see.
     
  21. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Agree. Though I suppose I'll agree with Heath's detractors in one other area: crossing. Against a team like Mexico when we've got a McHead imitator in Ching, it kinda behooves us to serve up better balls from out wide. Frankie was never gonna reliably be that guy, we brought him for other reasons which were well-fulfilled today. We could have used better service from Heath.

    But he did play effectively as a sort of wing-back outlet consistently in our midfield possession/transition, and he did limit Gio's effectiveness, who was basically out of the game by the end of the first half.
     
  22. Maitreya

    Maitreya Member+

    Apr 30, 2007
    Providence, RI
    Bob should consider that if Spector gets regular playing time at CB and plays well, especially since Bocanegra is playing left back at Rennes.

    I think the left back has to play very poorly for Bradley to think about moving Boca out there. My gut tells me that Pearce, as sub-par as he was, was still above the threshold of suckiness that would wear out Bob's tolerance. Bob likes speed at fullback.
     
  23. DaMa

    DaMa Member

    Jun 17, 2002
    New York
    Not a bad lineup but we'd need someone other than DMB as Boca isn't going to provide much offense.
     
  24. Nutmeg

    Nutmeg Member+

    Aug 24, 1999
    The thing is, Pearce and Boca will look fine for the next few games against crappy opponents, and people will think the criticisms are irrelevant. Just like they did coming into this game.

    No.

    Boca doesn't belong at CB. And Pearce shouldn't be our LB.
     
  25. Nutmeg

    Nutmeg Member+

    Aug 24, 1999
    As opposed to the spark Pearce provides?
     

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