US vs. Argentina/Venezuela....what's the lineup?

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by mfw13, Jun 17, 2016.

  1. mfw13

    mfw13 Member+

    Jul 19, 2003
    Seattle
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Given that Wood, Bedoya and Jones will be suspended for the semifinal, who replaces them?

    My guesses:

    - Nagbe for Wood, with Zardes moving up top and Nagbe taking his spot on the wing
    - Beckerman for Jones
    - Zusi for Bedoya

    Dempsey-Zyardes
    Nagbe-Bradley-Beckerman-Zusi
    Johnson-Brooks-Cameron-Yedlin
    Guzan
     
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  2. vexco

    vexco Member+

    Nov 2, 2013
    I think we see Besler again with Fabian ahead of him. Nagbe for Jones in the free role and Zusi for Bedoya. Move Zardes up top as the speed guy.
     
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  3. GoBigBlue88

    GoBigBlue88 Member+

    Feb 11, 2009
    Club:
    AC Milan
    The lineup is GO VENEZUELA!!!!!
     
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  4. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    I think you play Besler on the left, Yedlin on the right, Johnson into the midfield. I fear it will be Bradley, Beckerman and Zusi for the rest of the midfield. I would start Nagbe. Or maybe I start Pulisic up top with Clint, and drop Zardes into the midfield.
     
  5. JB-Bundesliga

    JB-Bundesliga Member

    Mar 3, 2011
    Upstate NY
    Club:
    VfB Stuttgart
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #5 JB-Bundesliga, Jun 17, 2016
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2016
    Yes, let the speculation begin!

    mfw13, those are pretty reasonable replacements.
    The starting lineup continuity is now very much shot with Jones (did he even touch the guy's face?, not a veteran move though regardless), Wood and Bedoya out.

    But if we go with a 4-3-3-ish (on paper at least), I would start Beckerman as the main DM, put in Nagbe for Bedoya and Pulisic for Wood on left wing, with Zardes moving to the right. Then Bradley would be moved forward a little to more of a 6/8, and Nagbe would be a staggered 8/10 in front of Bradley.

    Some more thoughts...Beckerman is often described now as "not as athletic" (read "slow"). What about Kitchen? Naw, too big a game for him right now. Not sure he's much faster anyway. Anchor Beckerman in front of the backline with Bradley helping a lot (especially if against Argentina).

    Zusi is in the mix, but I see him as more of a solid backup, late-game sub. I'd rather see Nagbe get a big shot here to do some AM magic for a whole game, a la his form with Portland in the latter part of last season.

    I think mentally, Pulisic is up for a start in a huge game like this, even if against Argentina. Kid seems unusually grounded, centered and at 17 he's frankly kind of fearless. But that's not just from youthful naivete. Seems like he's got a mature head on his shoulders.

    It might be reasonable to move up Fabian from LB into the midfield given our options for this semi, but who would go into the LB slot? Don't think we want to sacrifice defense at all in a game like this. Bunker a bit and go for the counter. I hate to say it but we're likely to have to cede the midfield a bit anyway (especially against Argentina). And who can do real damage in the next-to-last touch (or finish) in a counter? Shifty speedsters like Pulisic and Nagbe. I don't see how Juergen can't start at least one of them given the personnel shortages now.

    So I say...
    ____Pulisic - Dempsey - Zardes
    _______Nagbe Bradley
    _________Beckerman
    Johnson - Brooks - Cameron - Yedlin
    __________Guzan
     
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  6. tbonepat11

    tbonepat11 Member+

    Jun 21, 2001
    As long a Nagbe starts, every other position kind of sets itself. I kind of like FJ on the right. Yedlin/FJ right side anyone?????

    If Wondo starts, Gulati should fire JK at halftime.
     
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  7. MtMike

    MtMike Member+

    Nov 18, 1999
    the 417
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ----------------Guzan
    Yedlin----CAM--JAB-------Besler
    -----------------Bradley
    -----Zusi------------------------Johnson
    -Zardes-----------------Nagbe
    ----------------Dempsey
     
  8. UPinSLC

    UPinSLC Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    SL,UT
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ideally? Yedlin back in on the right, push Johnson into the Midfield, Beckerman replaces Jones, Nagbe sits underneath as a withdrawn forward to replace Wood.
     
  9. 6 ft. Leprechaun

    Dec 9, 2003
    Baltimore, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd switch Johnson and Nagbe, though. I want Johnson closer to goal and Nagbe kerping more possession.
     
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  10. mfw13

    mfw13 Member+

    Jul 19, 2003
    Seattle
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Obviously, the lineup will depend to some extent on who we play.

    Argentina (presuming they beat Venezuela) is going to be pretty tired (they'll have only two days rest between the QF and SF), and they'll have players suspended too (Argentina have eight players on yellows going into the QF), so if things fall right (the QF goes to extra time), the US will have a pretty decent chance of being competitive.

    The fact that Argentina generally plays at a slower pace also helps the US, I think, because it generally speedy teams that give us trouble, not ones which don't try to get behind our fullbacks.
     
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  11. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    Klinsmann's XI:

    -------Dempsey----Zardes-------
    ---Johnson----------------Zusi---
    ------Bradley----Beckerman------
    Besler--Brooks--Cameron--Yedlin
    ---------------Guzan---------------

    If Klinsmann wants an unchanged backline, then Yedlin goes into the midfield instead and Zusi switches to the left.

    Bradley will be the "#8", but if the opponent is Argentina then that will be a mere technicality, since Bradley and Beckerman will be dual "#6s"
     
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  12. Revolt

    Revolt Member+

    Jun 16, 1999
    Davis, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not to be too picky about this, but I believe the rule is two yellow cards in consecutive games are required to earn a suspension.
     
  13. MtMike

    MtMike Member+

    Nov 18, 1999
    the 417
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Obviously, there'd be a lot of overlap anyway in the midfield, so adjust it however you want. ;)
     
  14. USA-Zebuel

    USA-Zebuel Member+

    Mar 26, 2013
    Club:
    Colón de Santa Fe
    #14 USA-Zebuel, Jun 17, 2016
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2016
    Hell no! We need to play serious teams in competition. Venezuela would give us a run for our money, but I want to go toe to toe with Argentina.
    Good read and logic, thanks!

    If we are speculating:

    4-4-2 seems to be working for us.
    I think JK is going to like what he saw from Besler tonight. So why not bring Besler in LB move FabJo to LM.
    Save Pulisic for Sub if we need goals (good chance that this will be the case).

    So.....
    --------------- Zardes
    -------------------Dempsey
    -------------Nagbe
    --Bradley -------------------- FabJo
    --------------- Rasta

    -Besler--- Brooks--- Cameron--- Yedlin
    --------------- Guzan
     
  15. bostonsoccermdl

    bostonsoccermdl Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 3, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Klinsman is going to have to roll the dice and go for it.. At this point he doesn't have anything to lose by starting Nagbe, and even Pulusic perhaps. If nothing else to keep the Argie defense a bit honest.. Playing bunker ball isn't going to work. We will get picked apart..
     
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  16. USA-Zebuel

    USA-Zebuel Member+

    Mar 26, 2013
    Club:
    Colón de Santa Fe
    The cards reset after this round. If you get two cards in group or round of 8 then you are suspended for QF.
     
  17. mfw13

    mfw13 Member+

    Jul 19, 2003
    Seattle
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Nope....its two yellow cards at any point....Bedoya's first YC was in the Columbia match.....
     
  18. MtMike

    MtMike Member+

    Nov 18, 1999
    the 417
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    I'm going to have nightmares tonight about suggesting Beckerman as a lone Dmid against Argentina.
     
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  19. crparke

    crparke Member

    Jun 21, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Let the kid play. We have nothing to lose.

    --------------Dempsey-----Pulisic--------------
    Nagbe-------Bradley----Beckerman---Zardes
    Johnson------Brooks-----Cameron----Yedlin
    ----------------------Guzan-------------
     
  20. mfw13

    mfw13 Member+

    Jul 19, 2003
    Seattle
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Actually, I think bunker ball would work reasonably well against Argentina, because they don't have a lot of speed, and prefer to play at a slower pace with a lot of short passes that we can get defenders in the way of. I wouldn't try it against a faster team with speedy wingers like Chile, though. And we've got a center back (Brooks) who is big enough and strong enough to shut down Higuain.
     
  21. USA-Zebuel

    USA-Zebuel Member+

    Mar 26, 2013
    Club:
    Colón de Santa Fe
    I guess I set that up a little funny. I would like to see Brad on the leftish combining with Nagbe and dropping back to help Besler or Beckerman
     
  22. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Member+

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    Beckerman did what he could tonight, but even with fresh legs he was noticeably the slowest guy out there. It was pretty concerning even if I knew it beforehand. I don't see how you start him against Argentina.
     
  23. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    I have a strong suspicion that you'll be correct in all three cases.
     
  24. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Semifinals or not, this is still one of those bones of contention for me, not looking seriously into options there...
     
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  25. jaxonmills

    jaxonmills Member+

    Aug 26, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Same, but 4-2-3-1:

    -------------------Dempsey---------------------
    ------Pulisic--------Nagbe--------Zardes------
    ---------------Bradley----Beckerman----------
    Johnson------Brooks-----Cameron----Yedlin
    ----------------------Guzan----------------------

    Or we could get a little weird (we won't):

    --------Dempsey---Pulisic/Zardes------
    -------------Nagbe/Pulisic----------------
    FJ------Bradley---Beckerman---Yedlin
    -----Besler-----Brooks---Cameron------
    ------------------Guzan--------------------
     
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