Pre-match: US v Turkey, June 7 2025 (Friendly)

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  1. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    So all non-injured players have to be released for the June window. Players also have to be released for the GC, as the designated summer confederation competition for our team, unless their team is playing in the CWC. I think there probably is a cap on the number of players you can compel teams to release but I’m not sure how strict it is.
     
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  2. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Big Pat has 3 goals in 180' for the National Team. All minutes came this year. But both players should go. Then pick one of Sargent, Wright, or Balogun to round out the roster.
     
  3. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Just depends.

    Does Poch want to get more of a look at the guys he hasn't worked with as much in the extended Gold Cup setting?

    Or does he go with the guys from MLS like Agyemang and Wright that he's become more familiar with?

    I dunno.........................

    None of any of these guys has WON a spot on the roster. So we're kind of the blind leading the blind.

    From my own perspective, I'll say this: I'll argue that Balogun was our best player at the 2024 Copa America. Scored in our first games. Great goal against Panama that kept us in it. If he's healthy, I want Poch evaluating him. Due to the shoulder injury, he's never even been in a camp. We're at the point that Folarin hasn't played a game for the USMNT since the New Zealand game last September.

    Poch has barely worked with Haji Wright. Never started him. Late sub in the first camp last fall.
     
  4. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Gold Cup is also mandated releases (except for the Club World Cup guys) and on the international calendar. No call ups can be denied but MLS teams can ask the USMNT to do them a solid (which they sometimes do given we want MLS teams to release guys other times they don’t have to).
     
  5. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wright also may be on the roster as a winger and we’ll take all three of Balogun, Sargent, and White on a 26 man roster.
     
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  6. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For the Gold Cup though you’d definitely be able to mandate the 26 for the roster.

    For the camp there’s probably a limit but given European seasons are over and there’s not a lot of MLS games during that period I don’t think you have much pushback. But also you aren’t going to go much higher than 26 anyways.
     
  7. sXeWesley

    sXeWesley Member+

    Jun 18, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Big Pat is not at the level, this castigation of the current group and glazing of the MLS guys, the pendulum is swinging too far.

    Lina is a must start, White and Seb are must calls and that’s it. How can you watch Big Pat and think he’s anywhere near ready?
     
  8. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    production > optics
     
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  9. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    We're the blind leading the bling on the discussion.

    Would I be surprised if Agyemang and White are on the roster? No.
    Would I be surprised if Agyemang and White are left off the roster? No.

    All i know is that both have scored for the USMNT this year.
    For whatever reason (that none of us can really figure out)...............Josh Sargent doesn't.

    At some point we have to stop talking about how Josh hasn't gotten chances. He's now at 28 caps. He's been in the program so long that his debut came under Dave Sarachan. At some point, we have enough data. I don't know why he doesn't score with the national team. But at some point it doesn't matter.......................and we have to shake things up.
     
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  10. NietzscheIsDead

    NietzscheIsDead Member+

    NO WAR
    United States
    May 31, 2019
    NO WAR
    This isn’t PlayStation.

    You take the guys who make plays. Period.
     
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  11. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Well, at least the provisional roster for the Gold Cup needs to be in 30 days before the first game.
    So the provisional rosters will presumably be announced in a week or so. The first game is June 14th. Our first clarity with some guys on the fringes will be known then.

    The players for the Turkey/Switzerland friendlies don't have to come from that list, but its highly likely. Why prepare for the Gold Cup with guys not in contention for the roster?
     
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  12. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Does anyone have any idea when a roster will be released?
     
  13. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    (Assuming that you aren't talking about the couple of guys who are first team regulars that will be with their clubs in the CWC. The importance of playing as many games to try to figure out the optimal mix, and their place in it--or not, but I doubt that it should come to that--is obvious.)
     
  14. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    From what we've heard, they're trying to go with much of the "A" group that's available.
    Doesn't mean there won't be changes from the Nations League.

    The provisional roster probably won't tell us a lot other than a couple of the fringe guys that won't make it. And if fringe players aren't on the provisional roster, it doesn't mean they're excommunicated for life.
     
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  15. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    At least 10 days in advance of June 14 for the Gold Cup but we’ll probably see a camp roster before that.
     
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  16. keller4president

    Jan 5, 2006
    Koleosho, Anrie Chase, Nat Brown, and Noakhai Banks should be considered. As well as Damien Downs. Call in a big camp for friendlies and see who wants to fight for a spot.
     
  17. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    #142 Clint Eastwood, May 13, 2025
    Last edited: May 13, 2025
    I suspect that's going to be an 0 for 5:

    It should be noted that there's a FIFA website now of guys that have filed for one-time switches. At some point soon, these guys will definitely be out. Cuz Koleosho, Chase, and Brown would all have to do that. They haven't done so according to that site.
    FIFA Change of Association Platform

    I'm pretty sure Chase would be out of the question even if he did commit.
    He's been out for months after suffering a torn adductor.

    If you asked me which is the most likely, I'd say Downs.
    But with Balogun coming back and Brian White on fire.............who knows?
    Downs, for a myriad of reasons, has scored one goal in three months in Bund2.

    Banks has barely played in three months. I suspect he'll be with the U20s as they prepare for the World Cup.

    Koleosho has barely played in 2025.
    If we want to talk about the most unexpectedly disappointing seasons amongst the players we talk about, Koleosho must be near the top of the list. 2 goals and 0 assists in the English Championship isn't going to pique Poch's interest. Brenden Aaronson outperformed him by a mile in the same league, and didn't get into the Nations League roster. What exactly is it about Koleosho that makes people think he's better than an MLS option? I honestly don't know. There's very little actual production to his name.

    All signs point to Brown being with Germany this summer at the U21 UEFA championships. I don't think now is the time he will file a one-time switch.
     
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  18. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Don't get me wrong. I'd be happy to include them. I just think we'll be 0 for 5.
     
  19. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

    United States
    Mar 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have never held out much hope for Luca, Brown or Chase.... I think Downs would accept a call up but I don't really think he has earned it. Banks is a different story. He seems like he is firmly in the US depth chart... and I would be shocked if he jumped ship. He might even be the captain for the US U20 side... and could possibly make the WC roster if all goes to plan.
     
  20. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's the same for any dual - we worry we will wait too long and they will be great for someone else. Often we don't wait long enough to make a solid judgement but rush because of that fear of losing them. Most of the time we only get the players who would never get called up by the country they were born and raised in and then we're the consolation prize. MLS academies are spitting out enough of those type of talents now I don't worry about the duals much any more.
     
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  21. NYdog

    NYdog Member

    United States
    Nov 6, 2024
    United States
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    On Monday, the region’s governing body is expected to publish 60-man preliminary rosters for each of the 16 participating countries.

    Four days later, on May 22, U.S. coach Mauricio Pochettino will name his final 26-player squad.
     
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  22. keller4president

    Jan 5, 2006
    #147 keller4president, May 13, 2025
    Last edited: May 13, 2025
    Final Gold Cup roster prediction:

    G: Turner, Steffen, Schulte.

    CB: Richards, McKenzie, CCV, Ream, Robinson.

    RB: Dest, Scally

    LB: A. Robinson, Tolkin.

    CM: Adams, Cardoso, Tessman.

    10: Reyna, Luna, Malik Tillman.

    W: Pulisic, Musah, Haji Wright, Miljevic.

    F: Balogun, Sargent, Agyemang, White

    Last cuts: Busio, Brendan, Paxten.
     
  23. NYdog

    NYdog Member

    United States
    Nov 6, 2024
    United States
    Paxten vs. Gio
    Zendejas vs. Musah
     
  24. NYdog

    NYdog Member

    United States
    Nov 6, 2024
    United States
    Don't consider Musah as a winger option, I see him in the mildfield and he hasn't played much the past month for Milan. Zendejas is the better wing option than him.
     
  25. keller4president

    Jan 5, 2006
    Jimmy and Charlie on Call It What You Want podcast think Zendejas won’t make team. One of those players who’s great for club team, but not for national team.

    Like Jose Francisco Torres.
     
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