US Technically Deficient

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by bobarino, Jul 3, 2010.

  1. bobarino

    bobarino New Member

    Feb 11, 2004
    U.S.A.
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    The US has world class athletes on its national side. Why is it that they are still technically deficient to most of the world's soccer superpowers?
     
  2. LiverAndPineapple

    May 7, 2008
    Not enough investment to fund good enough coaching during the critical early years of development.
     
  3. SoccerScout

    SoccerScout Member

    Jan 3, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Club:
    Internacional Porto Alegre
    Beacuse in Brazil and other places kids grow up playing soccer everyday..at home..at school...on the street....with paper balls, real balls, sock balls....they eat sleep and breath soccer.

    In the US some of the players didnt even watch soccer until 16...most played soccer when mom took them to play on weekends and then later spent time playing Baseball or basketball..thats why.
     
  4. SoccerScout

    SoccerScout Member

    Jan 3, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Club:
    Internacional Porto Alegre
    Its not about coaching. Its about kids playing soccer on dirt or grass fields for fun...on their own...without coaches.
     
  5. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Frankly I think it's both.
     
  6. LiverAndPineapple

    May 7, 2008
    It has to be both.
     
  7. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    We are not a soccer super power. MLS is 15 yrs old.
     
  8. Professor B

    Professor B Member

    Oct 13, 2000
    Grundy, VA
    That's one way, but not the only way. For example, the Dutch system, particularly the Ajax youth system, turn out some of the best, most technically proficient players on the planet, and they take pretty much the opposite approach.

    Having youth players learning through organized practice does work...if you have good enough coaches taking the correct approach. (Neither of which we really have, particularly on the second one.)
     
  9. LiverAndPineapple

    May 7, 2008
    Actually, the Ajax system does stress the importance of playing on your own outside of the academy. It's where you become "street-smart." But no system is perfect. Even in that highly-developed system the Dutch could not win major tournaments consistently. For years it wasn't talent that kept the Dutch from winning major tournaments, it was infighting in the dressing room. Because academies don't teach "How not to be an arrogant douchebag to your fellow Dutch teammate."
     
  10. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    True. And being the smallest of the perennial powerhouse soccer nations doesn't exactly help, either.
     
  11. mannycoon

    mannycoon Member

    May 13, 2009
    Its largely cultural, if majority of the country grew up with soccer as important as in other countries or the way basketball is in the black communities in the US, then we'd have more players.

    Kids in this country have traditionally wanted to grow up to be the next Michael Jordan, Peyton Manning or Derek Jeter more than next Landon Donovan, and spent more time trying to emulate the stars of other sports. Over time this is changing, 20 years ago basically no one in the US wanted to be the next Baggio or Maradona or Tab Ramos or even knew who they were. Soccer is gaining some traction now and more kids are wanting to emulate Donovan or Messi, but they've got a long way too go.
     
  12. dredgfan

    dredgfan Member+

    MLS
    Nov 5, 2004
    Denver or NOLA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Movement off the ball and the not too complex thinking of the balls played.
     
  13. Libero4

    Libero4 Member

    Oct 26, 2007
    Your on to something here.

    I've been coaching soccer at various levels for the last twenty years and I was so amazed to hear kids tell me that they hardly saw any games.

    It's getting better but we have a long way to go.
     
  14. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    what does 'world class athletes' mean in the context of football?

    the us is technically deficient compared to the top teams because it recruits from a much smaller talent base in terms of gifted and serious athletes.

    secondarily is the coaching if eddie johnson's growth overseas is anything to go by.

    imo the gap in technique between the top american ballers and the top teams isn't so big. holden, edu, adu, altidore. dempsey, donovon, torres, bedoya, cherundolo, gooch, feilhaber, etc are not far off.
     
  15. soccerdisciple

    Mar 8, 2004
    Technically good enough to last longer than France and Italy.
     
  16. Calexico77

    Calexico77 Member

    Sep 19, 2003
    Mid-City LA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thank you. I was hoping for a good ol' fashion flame fest, instead I get reason and articulate discussion. Pffft.
     
  17. GVPATS77

    GVPATS77 Member+

    Aug 18, 2008
    Fullerton, CA
    People have hit on some good points, but I think the bigger picture is being lost.

    We have kids at the U-9 level playing 20-30 games a season and practicing once or twice a week. The parents of these kids are paying a bunch of money, and to justify that, coaches are expected to win at all costs. By winning, more parents want their kids to play for that club and on and on and on.

    What happens is, coaches look for the biggest, strongest, fastest players they can find to get immediate results, because it just doesn't pay to actually teach kids a first touch, ect.

    There is also another problem.

    I never played organized football (American Football) but I can break down the differences between a 4-3 defense and a 3-4 defense. I can tell you how to defend a spread offense, what plays work best against a blitz happy defense. Why? Because we have hours upon hours of sports television shows breaking down video, using telestrators, ect. Same can be said for basketball.

    We don't have that for soccer in this country. Believe me, it makes a difference. It's tactics 101 in Prime Time. There is nothing like that. Imagine if there was a generation of kids growing up with guys like Klinsmann and Ray Hudson and Tab Ramos going over weekly MLS highlights and La Liga and EPL highlights. But not just showing highlights, actually breaking down the passing sequences, runs off the ball, defensive positioning, ect. If a show like that existed and I was a youth coach, it would be required viewing for my players. I'd quiz them on the shit. But we don't have that.
     
  18. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    A: Frank Yallop was yelling at his team to play more longballs in transition.
     
  19. withoutthee88

    withoutthee88 Red Card

    Aug 23, 2008
    Chicago/USA
    I've seen this repeated 100x on BigSoccer. It's unfortunate that we have at least 100 guys on here smarter than Sunil Gulati.
     
  20. GVPATS77

    GVPATS77 Member+

    Aug 18, 2008
    Fullerton, CA
    It doesn't take a genius to figure out the obvious. It does take a genius to figure out the solution to the problem.

    It's not like those 100 guys on BigSoccer also know how to cultivate money trees and are just hoarding all that cash for themselves.

    "We need better funding for coaching"

    That so damn profound. Amazing really.

    If I find myself at the bottom of the lake I'm going to realize that I need oxygen to breath and survive. It doesn't magically put oxygen in my lungs.

    Any monkey can figure out what's wrong. Come up with an actual solution and I'll be the first to shake your hand. Otherwise you have no place questioning the intelligence of anyone. And I'm not a Sunil apologist by any stretch of the imagination.
     
  21. Rainer24

    Rainer24 Member

    Jan 6, 2008
    Nashville, TN
    Club:
    VfB Stuttgart
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Youth coaches and soccer parents care too much about their kids playing games and winning them.

    Kids should mostly play 5- or 7-a side on appropriately sized fields and not have winning as the end determination of success or useful development.
     
  22. BirdsonFire

    BirdsonFire Member

    May 9, 2008
    Club:
    Chicago Fire

    Are you actually dumb enough to think that Sunil doesn't believe it would be better to have more money to throw into youth development?

    If you aren't that dumb, you are trolling.


    I'm sure the mods won't do anything about it. Cause you've been saying this crap for a very long time and are still posting.
     
  23. LiverAndPineapple

    May 7, 2008
    I wasn't trying to sound smart. The guy asked a question, and I answered. I didn't say anything about implementation feasibility.
     
  24. BirdsonFire

    BirdsonFire Member

    May 9, 2008
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    88 has a history of trolling
     
  25. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    doubt the kids in ghana have any more access to soccer shows on tv than us kids. is coaching over there that much better?
     

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