So the jokers as CONCACAF have a protocol for naughty words Mexico fans love to chant, but they will (once again) talk about event security being responsible for objects thrown on the field. Both US and Mexico players were getting pelted by Mexico fans. Isn’t it the job of the federations to step in and protect their players here? Mexico fans will continue this behavior until there are real consequences.
ooooo, can you post this? It might be racist [sarcasticpinkfont] Im sure concacaf will fine mexico like, 300 pesos or something
You want to cut down on bullshit in the stands, stop serving booze in the stadium. It's not a panacea--sober people can be assholes and people can get faced before the game. But a group of hammered fans is much more likely than a group of sober fans to be violent, act stupid, etc.
I attended. The mix between Mexico and US fans was much more favorable to the US than recent non-Ohio games. Still mostly Mexico fans but enough US fans to make ourselves heard. And a great overall atmosphere.
When it was Mexico fans pelting their own players, there was a measure of rough justice there that gave me some schadenfreude.
yeah it was poetic justice that one of the mexican players got tagged the hardest with the thrown projectile
Why punish 90% of the responsible fans for a minority of bad ones. You have the wrong approach. Funny how it usually isn't an issue here in the states unless Mexico is part of the discussion... Go after the source of the problem. Mexican fans. Punish the Fed.
There should be some people going to jail. And whoever supplied the police presence really flubbed their lines, not nearly enough cops there. That's really all there is to say.
The problem for this is there is nobody to "blame" as the match was on US soil so FIFA cannot sanction Mexico or their federation as they could say that it was US fans that were setting up Mexican fans. We do not, at our matches, have any real desperation of fans so even where the junk came from would not help. Unless there were cameras that show the throwers and proof that they were fans of Mexico and that the security breaches could not have been prevented by proper crowd control. FIFA can do little. In fact the US could be held responsible for not protecting the players and officials. In fact FIFA "could" sanction the US for the Mexican fan's behavior.
For sanctions there is nothing that can be proven. The fans throwing things looked like fans of Mexico and behaved like fans of Mexico but that does not really matter as the responsibility for security rests with the hosting team and they "could" have been US fans pretending to be fans of Mexico. Also "common sense" has nothing (or at least very little) to do with anything FIFA or CONCACAF does or says.
How on Earth were we the hosts? It was a CONCACAF game where, as far as I know, we had no control over ticketing, security, etc.
The "Hosts" as determined by FIFA and CONCACAF is the country where the event is held. The hosts are responsible for all security and maintenance at the venues. They hosts get a portion of the gate and TV revenue and provide or arrange for said services.
Deduct 1 point, or a goal, or play a home game behind closed doors. Or play a game with no fans in the first 10-15 rows of seats. Or take a home game away. Or even just THREATEN to do one of those things. There's less of the "p*to" chant already, and Mexico hasn't even suffered any punishment (stopping for 3 mins =/= punishment). As soon as there's even a small punishment that actually matters, fans will stop and/or police themselves. Fans are fans, they love their team. Take something materiel that matters, and it will stop. Threaten it at least and it'll stop.
its important to separate the two issues. for the "chanting" the only protocol that would have any effect is one stoppage with a warning, and if the ref hears it again the game is over. mexico forfeits. absolutely nothing else is going to make any difference whatsover. the crap thrown from the stands is 90% us soccer/10% concacaf- but concacaf has zero incentive to penalize mexico in any way, and millions of dollars worth of incentive to roll out a carpet for whatever final they are playing towards. us soccer is the exact same problem- if they cared about the game they would sell the minimum allocation of tickets (3k or so) to mexican fans, and put them in one section at the top of the stadium in the corner like literally every club in the world does. id vote yea for a literal cage around that section like in turkey, or, you know, mexico- but im not shooting the moon here. instead we sell 75%+ to away fans wherever they want seats. cause the game doesnt matter- ergo in this case the players dont matter- only the dollars matter. as for solving that? i dunno. have miazga throw a folding chair at the first chivas jersey he sees is the best i got. yall might want to workshop that one, though.
There was a situation, gosh, at least 10 years ago when the Fed tried to segregate fans and it ended up in a lawsuit. In America, it’s illegal to treat people differently because their names end in -ez. Yeah, the behavior of the Mexican fans was disgraceful. This was a CONCACAF event, so the final wasn’t going to be in one of the MLS stadiums holding 20,000 fans, with the Fed giving certain types of people priority to ensure a pro US crowd. Not everything bad that happens is because of a bad decision by the Fed.
"Punish" seems like an overstatement. Just don't serve booze at games. What's the great loss? People can still enjoy watching the game, which is presumably what they're there to do. if they're there just to drink, then there's my point. This is a policy implemented in part already by many stadiums, which ban booze sales after halftime or a certain inning. It's a partial concession to the fact that 90%, at least, of fan violence and other costly, no-upside mayhem is alcohol-fueled.
From the Mexican press: Pitch invasions, projectiles, and homophobic chants! Mexican fans lose their heads in loss to USA
Throw Mexico behind closed doors for some games and they’ll learn. If not keep doing it. It’s not acceptable. A player and or fan shouldn’t be in danger just because of the color they wear on their jersey. After this game Azteca will be even more dangerous at qualifying which is already pretty bad.