US Mexico - The fans

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  1. FirstStar

    FirstStar Hustlin' for the USA

    Fulham Football Club
    Feb 1, 2005
    Time's Arrow
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So the jokers as CONCACAF have a protocol for naughty words Mexico fans love to chant, but they will (once again) talk about event security being responsible for objects thrown on the field. Both US and Mexico players were getting pelted by Mexico fans. Isn’t it the job of the federations to step in and protect their players here? Mexico fans will continue this behavior until there are real consequences.
     
  2. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ooooo, can you post this? It might be racist [sarcasticpinkfont]

    Im sure concacaf will fine mexico like, 300 pesos or something
     
  3. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Believe me, I couldn't agree more, but this isn't really N&A-worthy.
     
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  4. AutoPenalti

    AutoPenalti Am I famous yet?

    Sep 26, 2011
    Coconut Creek
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  5. um_chili

    um_chili Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    Losanjealous
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You want to cut down on bullshit in the stands, stop serving booze in the stadium. It's not a panacea--sober people can be assholes and people can get faced before the game. But a group of hammered fans is much more likely than a group of sober fans to be violent, act stupid, etc.
     
  6. sakibomb523

    sakibomb523 Member+

    Oct 13, 2009
    Orange County
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nothing like seeing Denver Broncos Souvenir Soda cups pelting players
     
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  7. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Most people do their drinking before the game even starts.
     
  8. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I attended. The mix between Mexico and US fans was much more favorable to the US than recent non-Ohio games. Still mostly Mexico fans but enough US fans to make ourselves heard. And a great overall atmosphere.
     
  9. um_chili

    um_chili Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    Losanjealous
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When it was Mexico fans pelting their own players, there was a measure of rough justice there that gave me some schadenfreude.
     
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  10. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    yeah it was poetic justice that one of the mexican players got tagged the hardest with the thrown projectile
     
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  11. bostonsoccermdl

    bostonsoccermdl Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 3, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Why punish 90% of the responsible fans for a minority of bad ones. You have the wrong approach. Funny how it usually isn't an issue here in the states unless Mexico is part of the discussion...

    Go after the source of the problem. Mexican fans. Punish the Fed.
     
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  12. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There should be some people going to jail.

    And whoever supplied the police presence really flubbed their lines, not nearly enough cops there.

    That's really all there is to say.
     
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  13. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    The Mickey Mouse Club or The breakfast Club
    May 4, 2002
    Limbo
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    The problem for this is there is nobody to "blame" as the match was on US soil so FIFA cannot sanction Mexico or their federation as they could say that it was US fans that were setting up Mexican fans. We do not, at our matches, have any real desperation of fans so even where the junk came from would not help. Unless there were cameras that show the throwers and proof that they were fans of Mexico and that the security breaches could not have been prevented by proper crowd control. FIFA can do little. In fact the US could be held responsible for not protecting the players and officials. In fact FIFA "could" sanction the US for the Mexican fan's behavior.
     
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  14. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This assumes FIFA/CONCACAf cannot use common sense or video evidence.
     
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  15. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    The Mickey Mouse Club or The breakfast Club
    May 4, 2002
    Limbo
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    For sanctions there is nothing that can be proven. The fans throwing things looked like fans of Mexico and behaved like fans of Mexico but that does not really matter as the responsibility for security rests with the hosting team and they "could" have been US fans pretending to be fans of Mexico. Also "common sense" has nothing (or at least very little) to do with anything FIFA or CONCACAF does or says.
     
  16. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
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  17. dlokteff

    dlokteff Member+

    Jan 22, 2002
    San Francisco, CA
    I know it's wrong, but part of me just loves the CONACACAFERY. I'd miss it if it were gone.
     
  18. FC Tallavana

    FC Tallavana Member+

    Jul 1, 2004
    La Quinta
    How on Earth were we the hosts? It was a CONCACAF game where, as far as I know, we had no control over ticketing, security, etc.
     
  19. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    The Mickey Mouse Club or The breakfast Club
    May 4, 2002
    Limbo
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    The "Hosts" as determined by FIFA and CONCACAF is the country where the event is held. The hosts are responsible for all security and maintenance at the venues. They hosts get a portion of the gate and TV revenue and provide or arrange for said services.
     
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  20. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Deduct 1 point, or a goal, or play a home game behind closed doors. Or play a game with no fans in the first 10-15 rows of seats. Or take a home game away. Or even just THREATEN to do one of those things.

    There's less of the "p*to" chant already, and Mexico hasn't even suffered any punishment (stopping for 3 mins =/= punishment).

    As soon as there's even a small punishment that actually matters, fans will stop and/or police themselves. Fans are fans, they love their team. Take something materiel that matters, and it will stop. Threaten it at least and it'll stop.
     
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  21. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    its important to separate the two issues.

    for the "chanting" the only protocol that would have any effect is one stoppage with a warning, and if the ref hears it again the game is over. mexico forfeits. absolutely nothing else is going to make any difference whatsover.

    the crap thrown from the stands is 90% us soccer/10% concacaf- but concacaf has zero incentive to penalize mexico in any way, and millions of dollars worth of incentive to roll out a carpet for whatever final they are playing towards.

    us soccer is the exact same problem- if they cared about the game they would sell the minimum allocation of tickets (3k or so) to mexican fans, and put them in one section at the top of the stadium in the corner like literally every club in the world does. id vote yea for a literal cage around that section like in turkey, or, you know, mexico- but im not shooting the moon here.

    instead we sell 75%+ to away fans wherever they want seats. cause the game doesnt matter- ergo in this case the players dont matter- only the dollars matter.

    as for solving that? i dunno. have miazga throw a folding chair at the first chivas jersey he sees is the best i got. yall might want to workshop that one, though.
     
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  22. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There was a situation, gosh, at least 10 years ago when the Fed tried to segregate fans and it ended up in a lawsuit. In America, it’s illegal to treat people differently because their names end in -ez.

    Yeah, the behavior of the Mexican fans was disgraceful. This was a CONCACAF event, so the final wasn’t going to be in one of the MLS stadiums holding 20,000 fans, with the Fed giving certain types of people priority to ensure a pro US crowd.

    Not everything bad that happens is because of a bad decision by the Fed.
     
  23. um_chili

    um_chili Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    Losanjealous
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "Punish" seems like an overstatement. Just don't serve booze at games. What's the great loss? People can still enjoy watching the game, which is presumably what they're there to do. if they're there just to drink, then there's my point. This is a policy implemented in part already by many stadiums, which ban booze sales after halftime or a certain inning. It's a partial concession to the fact that 90%, at least, of fan violence and other costly, no-upside mayhem is alcohol-fueled.
     
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  24. KickersFTW

    KickersFTW Member+

    Jan 12, 2012
    RVA (Soccer hotbed)
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Throw Mexico behind closed doors for some games and they’ll learn. If not keep doing it. It’s not acceptable. A player and or fan shouldn’t be in danger just because of the color they wear on their jersey. After this game Azteca will be even more dangerous at qualifying which is already pretty bad.
     

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