US-Jamaica, the coaching and the subs

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by superdave, Oct 7, 2021.

  1. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The US started strong, but fairly quickly slowed down. As always during the Berhalter Era, the team is prone to prizing possession over attacking. If it keeps happening, that's probably on the coach.

    Then we came out in the 2nd half in 5th gear, and looked so much better.

    I thought the subs were smart...Jamaica wasn't going to get 2, so save the legs of the key players.

    His selection of Arriola was panned before the game, including by me. I just felt that Arriola's defending prowess wasn't worth his dodgy attacking play, especially at home vs. Jamaica. But he was reasonable in the attack, which added to his D makes him a plus player. So credit to GGG.
     
  2. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Memphis, Tn
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    gregg didnt screw a single thing up. no notes.
     
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  3. kickin365

    kickin365 Member

    Mar 4, 2002
    Would have like Weston to not go 90
     
  4. ifsteve

    ifsteve Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Jul 7, 2013
    MS and ID
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sure but there are only 5 subs and he did use 4. Can't sub out everybody. Plus its about 3 matches not 1. Suspect that the plan is to not start McKennie in one of the next two.
     
  5. Bajoro

    Bajoro Member+

    Sep 10, 2000
    The Inland Empire
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It was good to get a look at de la Torre. I think he earned more chances.
     
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  6. manfromgallifrey91

    Swansea City
    United States
    Jul 24, 2015
    Wyoming, USA
    Club:
    Southampton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Only thing I'd say is maybe some of the subs were 5 minutes too late but thats a quibble. A more direct style was used and showed to be more effective. Hopefully that continues.
     
  7. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think that is a reasonable guess. Adams + Acosta + Lletget for the next one. Maybe Musah again.
     
  8. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Memphis, Tn
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    adams and acosta shouldnt play together.

    id go acosta/mckennie/lletet and then adams/musah/ldlt for cr (not that looking ahead is the best idea)
     
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  9. munovalente

    munovalente Member

    Los Angeles Galaxy
    United States
    Mar 29, 2021
    Adams and Acosta were fine together in the second half against Honduras. Main thing is if do, either Adams is the more advanced of the two, or they do more of double pivot with a more dedicated attacking midfielder like against Honduras.
     
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  10. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No real complaints except maybe starting Arriola, but his hustle and pressing was effective, even though he can't score in a whorehouse.

    Started the midfield I wanted to see.

    I didn't watch the pregame, was Hoppe inactive?

    Because I would've liked to see him for Arriola for the last 10 minutes.

    Other than that, I thought the subs were well-timed and effective especially Weah.
     
  11. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Agree. There are probably situations where we might need to do this, but right now, with this roster, against Panama, really isn't one of them.

    It's Adams or Acosta at the 6. Musah, McKennie, LDLT all played well. Lletget is steady eddy, and Busio is playing well in Italy. We have plenty of 8 options on this roster without putting Acosta and Adams both out there.

    It's also worth noting McKennie and Musah aren't going 90 every game for club -- we can stretch their minutes.
     
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  12. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    Credit Berhalter for going with a fairly obvious starting lineup with a fairly obvious formation. Sometimes this game doesn’t take super genius “tactics” and super genius “nobody is expecting this” formations to get results.
     
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  13. Maximum Optimal

    Maximum Optimal Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    Today's game was a ringing endorsement of the KISS principle.

    That would be Keep It Simple Stupid for those of y'all not in the know.
     
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  14. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Memphis, Tn
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    thats a solid point- what i should have said is we shouldnt intentionally play them together. we did manage to win vs honduras but i wouldnt remotely say thats a game plan we should be looking to replicate. in a more reasonable 343 i still think its a little defensive, but if we ever play a 4231 that could obviously work.

    but playing either of them at rb, or as an 8 for that matter, is best as a possibility should we need it rather than an option to aspire to.
     
  15. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    The primary reason not to play the two of them at the same time right now is to provide cover at the #6 position.

    Panama isn't an opponent that we need set up overly defensive against. We can go there with our normal setup and get a result.
     
  16. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Would have preferred to see Hoppe at the 9 and Richards (if indeed Gregg worries about his CONCACAF experience level). Though de la Torre and Weah were both sharp. Would like to see more of all 4 of those. Rotation is good, and an investment in the future. Save Roldan (and IMO Arriola) for emergencies if they arise.
     
  17. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pepi scored 2. This comment puzzles me greatly.
     
  18. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    Chelsea
    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For me, easily Berhalter's best coaching performance. The defense was solid and well-organized. The team was obviously ready to attack from the opening whistle. The second-half adjustments were very, very good. I loved the Weah sub for Aaronson. We managed Aaronson's minutes to the point where Jamaica was starting to take frustrations out on him and brought on a guy that just torched Jamaica for fun in the last 20 minutes.

    The only real somewhat negative I can think of was that the attack slipped back into the Canada mode for 15-20 minutes in the first half. Probably not completely unexpected with a young team.

    I'm very interested to see how Berhalter rotates the team for Panama. If I'm taking a guess at a starting lineup, this is what I'm thinking.

    GK - Turner
    D (L to R) - Bello, McKenzie, M. Robinson, Moore (expecting Dest and Robinson to come on if needed)
    M - (L to R) McKennie, Acosta, Lletget (another good sub to take Adams off to protect his card count and keep his minutes manageable)
    F (L to R) - This is going to be tough. I'm going to take a guess with Weah, Zardes, Aaronson.

    I think Berhalter will go with more experience and with a more defensive lineup in Panama. Depending on how the game goes, I could see him wanting to go more attacking in the 2nd half. I don't want to run Aaronson into the ground, but I think he has to start in this game. If he tires out, bring Hoppe in for him.
     
  19. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Not instead of Pepi, but rather Zardes. The post was about the substitutes.
     
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  20. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Berhalter generally seems to always do better in the second half of games it seems.

    Also it very much seems that in CONCACAF at least, his strategy is to wear people down with subs. The five subs rule really is a game changer for the team with more depth.
     
  21. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do we really need five post match threads?

    many ways Berhalter’s adjustment to switch the field more aggressively was a good one. It helped make attack less predictable and imbalanced the defense.
     
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  22. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you compare the quality and focus of the 4 threads I started to the 1 general post game analysis, the answer is an obvious yes.*. In these threads, posters can have a real back and forth because we are talking about one topic in each. In the general thread, that doesn’t happen.

    *I mean, according to Maslow, obviously we don’t NEED this thread. We don’t need bigsoccer. Hell, we don’t need soccer. ;)
     
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  23. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Plus, this is the way we always done it for competitive matches.

    Sometimes traditions are good!
     

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