US-Ghana, the defending (R)

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by superdave, Jun 26, 2010.

  1. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The backline messed up on the first goal, with Demerit getting spun, and on the second goal. You can't be happy with a performance like that.
     
  2. CyphaPSU

    CyphaPSU Member+

    Mar 16, 2003
    Not Far
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Love the workrate of DeMerit, but this match shows how having slow defenders costs you at this level. We didn't give Ghana too many chances, overall, but when we did we were caught very slow-footed and we paid for it dearly.
     
  3. Werdman89

    Werdman89 Member+

    May 27, 2008
    Boston, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Really missed a top form Gooch both defensively and on set pieces.
     
  4. FnordUnitedFC

    FnordUnitedFC Member

    Jun 22, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What defending? We had a backline of DeMerit and 3 muppets.
     
  5. Nyghtewynd

    Nyghtewynd I'd Rather Walk Alone

    May 30, 2006
    St. Louis, MO
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Terrible. We simply have zero quality defenders in the United States.
     
  6. Diegan

    Diegan Member+

    San Diego FC
    United States
    Sep 18, 2008
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bornstein was the best performer. Feels really weird saying that...
     
  7. StarvingGator

    StarvingGator Member

    Jun 22, 2007
    The Hospital Bar
    We needed Howard today, and he choked the life out of us. Our two best players were absolutely absent.

    The back line isn't a strength, we all know that. We had to have our keeper compensate, and he failed.
     
  8. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    This is an analysis thread. The emo crying jagoff thread is somewhere else.
     
  9. dwsmith1972

    dwsmith1972 BigSoccer Supporter

    May 11, 2007
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I like Tim, but he seemed again too far out on both goals.
     
  10. cklab

    cklab Member

    Jan 3, 2008
    Dallas
    ironic that two defenders who've played in the epl/championship get beaten by a route one over the top ball. should have done better but our defensive liabilities were bound to catch up with us at some point.
     
  11. AmericanKaka

    AmericanKaka Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Bornstein stole Cherundolo's mojo, apparently.
    Johnny was superb and Stevie was way, way off from the high level he had been playing at. Obviously, though, it wasn't the fullbacks that were our problem.
     
  12. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If Friedel hadn't retired from international play, we'd have won. Howard's positioning on the first goal was amateurish. Friedel isn't as quick as Howard anymore, but his positioning is immaculate.

    Howard wasn't any great shakes on the 2nd goal either. I'm not sure exactly how Howard got this rep among US fans as being one of the best keepers in the world. He's not. He's very, very, very good, but not in the top 10. Probably not in the top 20. Spain has 3 keepers better than him.
     
  13. joe cleats

    joe cleats Member

    Jun 17, 2010
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Howard didn't make the saves he's paid to make. That cost us our first goal.

    Bocanegra and Demerit were either too slow to read, or too slow period, on the second goal.

    Bornstein must have been kissing the ground Tony Sanneh was walking on, because his performances of the last two games were the best performances he's ever had in the shirt.

    Cherundolo was solid and did well when isolated one on one on the right.

    Overall, two defensive lapses cost us this game, and they were our only two defensive lapses. Ghana failed to connect anywhere near our goal and could only muster shots from far out or inaccurate crosses. We've known this for a long time, but our defense can withstand any offense, but cannot stay focused consistently. Every defender that played for us were solid for the most part, but almost each one had one blunder that cost us.
     
  14. FnordUnitedFC

    FnordUnitedFC Member

    Jun 22, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    On top of that, his distribution can only generously be described as pedestrian.
     
  15. Aduesque

    Aduesque Member

    Atlanta United
    May 11, 2010
    Georgia
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The defense sucks bad.
     
  16. dwsmith1972

    dwsmith1972 BigSoccer Supporter

    May 11, 2007
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Because Lalas et al keep telling us he is* just as they did with Kasey Keller in 2006. It really does our players a disservice to overrate them. I like Tim and think he is a very good goalie, but I question his positioning in this game and in the Slovenia game and but for the cross bar, versus Algeria. Kingson, a guy who plays less than Guzan, far outplayed him.
     
  17. gators35

    gators35 New Member

    Nov 1, 2009
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Borestein is not very athletic but he gave it his all today. I actually thought he played well.

    If Gooch had played Ghana would have torched him.
     
  18. Nyghtewynd

    Nyghtewynd I'd Rather Walk Alone

    May 30, 2006
    St. Louis, MO
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Howard got outplayed by Kingston today. I'm hoping that Guzan or someone younger steps up in upcoming years, because he was certainly not a top-20 goal in this tournament. Not good enough.
     
  19. CyphaPSU

    CyphaPSU Member+

    Mar 16, 2003
    Not Far
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What frightens me is that we can't just blindly hope that in four years time we'll have better quality defenders.

    Poor defending seems to be systemic throughout US soccer ranks. MLS is a prime example of the lack in sophistication and quality in defending--I've said it before, the quality in play in MLS is at the mercy of the level of defending. Unless the art of defending improves, the overall quality in play will be stymied because poor defending rewards lesser offensive skill, technique, and tactics (so it then lessens the drive to improve offensive sophistication). So many goals are produced simply as a result of poor defensive execution.

    From the top, down through youth levels we have to change the ways things are coached in this country when it comes to defending: positioning, spacing, and marking. All of this needs to be improved and all of it is ultimately coachable!
     
  20. lfcli30

    lfcli30 Member

    Jun 21, 2005
    New York
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bornstein was excellent today, he proved many people wrong.
     
  21. StarvingGator

    StarvingGator Member

    Jun 22, 2007
    The Hospital Bar
    Ike Opara looked good yesterday. I agree overall that the defensive youth isn't as promising as the midfield youth.

    The biggest problem is that every starter, except perhaps Gooch, is now old enough to be put out to pasture. Dolo, Boca, and Demerit should have all played their last games for the US tonight. I know they're still useful, but you've got to get the new blood initiated right away.

    Our whole back line (almost) needs to be replaced.
     
  22. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Member+

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    Bornstein B+
    Dolo D
    Demerit B
    Boca D

    I'm hoping Omar, Boss, Opara...SOMEONE steps up for us soon to fill the gaps we'll have in the back next world cup.
     
  23. withoutthee88

    withoutthee88 Red Card

    Aug 23, 2008
    Chicago/USA
    Here's my analysis. Bornstein was our best defender in the WC. Shocking. Absolutely shocking. Dolo started good, got progressively worse. DeMerit is a grenade ready to explode at any minute. Bocanegra is slow and old, but I think we already knew that. We were just hoping he wouldn't get exposed, which he unfortunately did, costing us the quarterfinals.
     
  24. Craig P

    Craig P BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 26, 1999
    Eastern MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What happened to Bocanegra on the second goal? He seemed to be running shoulder-to-shoulder with the Ghanaian, then he just pulled up his run. I really think if he'd been able to hold the run all the way through, he would have offered a lot more trouble than DeMerit ultimately did, and that was the difference on that play.

    (I know it would have left us a man down, but in hindsight, I really wish Bocanegra had fallen on the grenade and pulled the guy down.)
     
  25. dlokteff

    dlokteff Member+

    Jan 22, 2002
    San Francisco, CA
    Goal 1 was on Clark. You just can't get dispossed there. After that Demerit tried but couldn't deny the fine shot, but Howard was very small there. Terrible.

    Goal 2 was pretty much Boca beaten for speed. We knew that could happen. Howard had a chance to come up big but shrunk again.

    Dolo was o.k., worst game of the tournement, but o.k.

    Our best defender today was Johnny Bornstein. Unbelievable.
     

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