http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/4061095.stm Just like to hear from some Liverpool fans who have any reactions on this. Remember that the coach of the team that Kraft owns is a former Liverpool star.
More than just a casual connection being reported: Liverpool FC in £100m talks with L4 By David Owen and William Hall, The Financial Times Published: December 2 2004 02:00 | Last updated: December 2 2004 02:00 http://news.ft.com/cms/s/0dfd6e7c-4409-11d9-a5eb-00000e2511c8.html Interesting, as for people who may not know, the U.K. press had the Kraft family linked to possible investment in Aston Villa last spring.
Interesting to say the least. While Bob Kraft hasn't exactly been the best owner for the Revs, I'm not sure there are too many complaints with his management of the Patriots. He apparently takes a hands off approach and lets his football people deal with the football. In order to get the stadium off the ground and to get the team back to where it should be, and infusion of cash is probably going to be needed at some point. However, at a tradition ladened club like Liverpool, having the club pirated by overseas investors is certainly not something to be jumped at, no matter the money.
Well after reading that, I'm acutally more inclined to think it is AEG, rather than Kraft. Would anyone in the US describe the Krafts as entertainment executives?
Given the last paragraph, "There are a number of different constituent elements, both individuals and entities, that we believe have a direct connection with the culture and heritage of the club, as well as the experience, resource and appetite to get the club back to where we believe it deserves to be.", I'd say it smacks of a mix of AEG and Kraft. AEG fulfills the 'entertainment' part of the article and Kraft, through his Revs' manager, fits into this last paragraph.
The article describes the consortium as being "put together by two US-based entertainment executives with Liverpool roots." Those two people are the U.S.-based (but Merside native) Mike Jefferies and Stuart Ford. not the Krafts. See here as well: http://www.koptalk.org/archive/editor/021204.shtml
That article is a good one regarding the Krafts, however, I would be cautious about a role at liverpool for Guilti. As I mentioned before, the Krafts record with the Revolution is anything but stellar, however, an investment in Liverpool would certainly be a much higer priority than the Revs apparently are.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?id=318074&cc=5901 "Liverpool are reported to be in talks with the 'L4' group, a consortium put together by two US-based entertainment executives, which could lead to a takeover. " My take is that it's a joint venture on their part.
well,i thin its a good thing,but we would need more investers to move the club foward!!(lets not forget that if this does work out,the 100 million will only go to the finance of the club!!) Dont you guys think that 110 is kinda little to make a ¨Super stadium¨.I have no idea how great this stadium is going to be if it only costst 110 million!!(Arsenals cost 330 million,lets not forget that!!!)
From the mock ups on the ckub website (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/newstadium/) i think it looks pretty impressive I think part of the massive difference in cost in our stadium compared to Arsenal's is the cost of land - they are after all in London - can't get much more expensive real estate than that 80 millon (and supposedly now 110) million seems like a massive difference compared to how much Arsenal need to shell out. I'll be surprised if they'll still be able to compete in the transfer market once their project gets underway It'll be interesting to go to Arsenal's bigsoccer forum and see how they feel about the cost of the stadium, and I imagine they'll suffer the same delays and spiralling costs as well No one can deny how great it will be for this club to get a new stadium I used to live in Stretford, about 15 minutes away from ManUs ground and although I love this club, their stadium is pretty impressive. They're getting 2.4 million in gate receipts alone for 60,000+ per game. So if we can match that, then in the long term I sincerely hope that more funds will flow Rafa's way
Seems that morgan is going to win!!!! http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/4064303.stm moores knows that he doesnt have the money to compete with ¨Mr Morgan's millions.¨why dont you guys like Morgan????from what i know,hes a liverpool fan and hes a millionair,so atleast i have no problems with Morgan!!!We desperatly need the money,so Moores should take the offer so that benitez gets enough money to buy players in Jan!!
Actuallly I'd like an answer to this as well. Is it because Moore's holdings will be severely diluted and he'll no longer be the majority shareholder, or is it the fact that Morgan is undervaluing the club or are there some personality issues b/t the two or all of the above. I know that Morgan at the time he made the starting bid, really did not want Houllier to be around, but now he's gone and the stadium costs are increasing and it looks as though Rafa's hands are tied regarding real transfer funds (and I don't mean getting players on loan or swap deals) then maybe it's time to really consider what Morgan is offering Moores I know has been such a loyal supporter of the club over the years, but times have changed. He can't take the club to the next level. We need to think much bigger. I look enviously at what the board has done for ManU over the years and hope we can continue to compete financially for years to come, regardless of whether we make the CL year in year out It's good to know there is more interest though with the US consortium (regardless of what its motives are). I hope there's a bidding war and we end up with the funds we need
I don't like morgan ,he is in favour of sharing with everton ,they held a vote on it and he ABSTAINED ,whereas parry voted against it , if it was upto him we would have had a british manager probabaly curbishley ,all I can say is thank god rick was making these decisions and not morgan. Morgan wants the club on the cheap and seems to have an abrasive style and looks like he will be one of those type of high profile chairmen that other clubs have that we love to hate eg freddie sheppard of newcastle raffa came to the club becos we are known for providing managers with time and stability and what it is the first thing that happens when he gets here ?but boardroom battles we could do without. there is no point blaming david moores for liverpool's decline in the share of money and commercialisation, liverpool were particulary successful before the premiership came into being ,and before the prawn eating sandwich brigade ,who think football only started in the early 1990's .Manchester united are so rich becos they have had success in the time when football is the richest it has ever been and with the sky television money.Also liverpool's deal with reebok has been a disaster in terms of promoting in places like north america ,more likely to find nike etc. liverpool are a traditional club who have dignity we don't want dodgy deals with thais, and we don't want to be undervalued or demeaned by a loudmouth chairmen ,they should be seen and hardly heard in my opinion . I would hope a deal could be made with the L4 group out of all of them .
moores is at breaking point ,he said himself his health isn't good becos of all the stress and he needs our support,he doesn't deserve all the stick and the campaign against him by morgan and his cronies who humilaiated him in the AGM ,moores loves the club and when he goes I hope we don't live to regret it ,we might even look back on it as good days. I would appeal to ANYONE who is in SUPPORT of MOORES to make their feelings known by writing to him or Parry c/o Anfield as I really do think after tonight Moores is on the brink of resigning because he feels he has lost the confidence and support of the Fans!! another thing about morgan is he thinks managers should be more accountable and answerable to the chairmen ,raffa the gaffa wouldn't stand for interfering chairmens ,he had enough at valencia thats why he walked out in the first place.
WTF is going on at Anfield. check this out "Since 8 o clock it's been the top story apparently Morgan, and Moore got involved in an arguement of sorts. Morgan got up and said he had the money there, if Moore wanted it, it would be in the bank for xmas.He then said to Benitez if he wants new players he has the money all they need to do is say. Moore then got up and after alot of sighing and pausing said that the past 11 months for him and his family had been very hard, the last couple of weeks especially he has hardly slept. It's taking it's toll on him and his family and that he's going to have to come to a decision soon. Morgan also said that if people had seen the stuff that went on behind the scenes at the club financially that he had seen, they would be amazed. Note this was in front of many members of the public aswell and at the end both Morgan and Moores both appologised and said that this wasn't the place to bring up such matters. That was the jist of it I think, also there was a bit of split amongst the boardmembers and shareholders over the whole Thai deal and whether it is right or wrong. The guy on sky said it was very eventful and I reckon something will happen def in the next couple of months, it need to! "
Morgan is not the answer. The reason he's become such a loudmouth now is precisely because this 'L4' group has appeared and is, quite frankly, a more credible partner for LFC. One thing that needs to be addressed here though: the idea that LFC are in any need, let alone desperate need for a cash injection is flat-out wrong. The losses that have been the fuel for the recent media fire are short-term operating losses that this financial year will wipe out in their entirety. Simultaneously, our long-term debt has actually FALLEN in the financial period covered by the recent reports and yesterday's AGM. The stadium costs have risen, yes. And additional investment, rather than additional borrowing, would obviously be the most amenable way of addressing that issue. But we don't need £100m for that, nor do we need to cede control of the club from the Moores family, who literally bleed LFC, in order to sustain our position. 'Ah, but what about developing our position', I hear you say. Well ... that's what the stadium is for. Always has been. And it was perfectly adequate for that purpose before Morgan and the Thais and whoever else suddenly appeared. The problem is that now everything the club does is being viewed in the context of this mythical £100m that any new investor will stump up. Like that' suddenly the minimum required for survival, rather than some trumped-up fantasy figure for the "LFC TAKEOVER" stories.
Great point. Liverpool is no Leeds that's racked up massive debts. I agre that there is no clear need for an immediate cash injection. I hope for Liverpools sake (ouch! Do I have to say this? ) that they take their time in considering a new investor for the club. That said, if the right investor comes along, the club should go for it. In the long run, it's going to be the difference with being able to give ManU, Arse and Chelsea a run for their money or not. In fact, I'm still waiting to see Arse find someone new to come and play with them given the Ashton Grove debts they've taken on.
I am shure we all agree that this month is going to be crucial to where the club is going to end up!!Its going to be interesting what L4 do next!!they havent made any formal offer yet,so its going to be interesting to see if L4 offer is just media speculation or is it for real!!i think mogan should be given 25% of the control in the club,so that he doesnt get out of our hand but at the same time have enough control to invest in the club!!!
And things have gotten even more interesting!!!!! ¨The approach from a mystery source was revealed last night at the club's highly-charged AGM.¨ ¨Liverpool have stressed the new interest declared last night does not come from the L4 Group.¨ http://liverpoolfc.tv/mediawatch/drilldown/MW7229041203-1309.htm well,seesm theres a 3rd party who has an offer on the table!!!!!THIS IS GOING TO BE AN INTERESTING MONTH INDEED!!!!!
Thanks to the posters who have contributed to the thread I know that Morgan seems to creating a lot tension and pressure on Moores, but is he actually undervaluing the club. When he talks about a 70 million pound injection, what is that supposed to buy him - is it all the shares that Moores has and a seat on the board. Is that so unreasonable ? If we're saying LFC is valued at 150 million isn't that fairly reasonable ? Would we be better off, just floating on the stock market ? Interesting also about this third mystery bid. Indeed interesting times ahead
from what i know,Morgan only wants little control over the club!!!HE has made it clear that he wont use all the 70 million to buy shares,but will also use it for the players,stadium,etc!!The problem is that Moores has 51% of the shares,so all these type of desicions has to be taken by him!If he accept Morgan proposal,only then can he have a control over the club and invest in the club! If anyone can correct me if im wrong,please do!
I have also heard that the fourth bid is from the kraft family ,don't be taken in by the L4 group ,the people they are directly dealing with isn't them ,thats wahy they can claim it is a completely new bid when in actual fact it is just fancy talk.