US/Canada cups - NASL Edition

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  1. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    Wierd to watch RB take a US Cup game seriously.
     
  2. nanoGVSP

    nanoGVSP Member+

    Jan 31, 2012
    New york
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    I think after last year there was no way they were'nt gonna take it serious, specially in their home. Good game until Gorkie's penalty give away. Not sure what happened with Ayoze and Roversio, starting defenders for the Cosmos. It just proves that if an NASL team wants to beat a MLS team they better have their entire A team.
    I heard somewhere that it was a record attendance for a Open Cup game at RB arena. Credit to The Five Points (Cosmos Suppoters groups)about 500 made it to the game and where heard throughout the entire game. not bad for a Wednesday night.... Step in the right direction.
     
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  3. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    Not sure of it was last year or change in coach and philosophy, or both....RB has tried so little in the past it is just good to see. Makes it feel more legit.
     
  4. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Third Round – June 1

    Number of Games: 15
    Participants: Winners of 21 Second Round games are joined by nine NASL sides.
    Description: After each Second Round matchup has been determined, each NASL team will be paired geographically to a specific Second Round matchup and be scheduled to play its winner. The 12 remaining Second Round matchups not paired with a Division II side will be paired up geographically, with the winners playing each other to complete the round.

    http://thecup.us/2016/02/05/format-...pen-cup-unveiled-with-record-number-of-teams/

    Lets see if more teams than last year survive this round.
     
  5. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  6. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    The Canadian Championship starts this week:

    Times are EDT.

    Preliminary Round
    Wednesday, May 11, 2016
    FC Edmonton (NASL) v. Ottawa Fury (NASL) 9:00 pm

    Wednesday, May 18, 2016
    Ottawa Fury (NASL) v. FC Edmonton (NASL) 7:30 pm

    Semifinals
    Wednesday, June 1
    Toronto FC (MLS) v. Montreal Impact (MLS)
    Preliminary Winner (NASL) v. Vancouver Whitecaps (MLS)

    Wednesday, June 8
    Montreal Impact (MLS) v. Toronto FC (MLS)
    Vancouver Whitecaps (MLS) v. Preliminary Winner (NASL)

    Finals
    June 22 and 29

    The U.S. Open Cup also starts on May 11. NASL teams start play on June 1.
     
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  7. Sam U El

    Sam U El Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 31, 2013
    Seoul Korea
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fury FC Claims Decisive Victory Over FC Edmonton In First Leg of Amway Canadian Championship

    Ottawa Fury FC notched a big victory at Clarke Field against FC Edmonton in the first leg of the Amway Canadian Championship series between the teams. The 3-0 win gives Ottawa a decisive advantage heading into the second leg at TD Place next Wednesday. It was the club's first win in the Canadian Championship.

    http://www.nasl.com/news/2016/05/11...n-in-first-leg-of-amway-canadian-championship
     
  8. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Third round match-ups have been announced:

    http://thecup.us/2016/04/07/2016-lamar-hunt-us-open-cup-schedule-results/

    2016 Third Round
    Without regard to hosting.
    NASL teams enter in this round.

    Wednesday, June 1
    Tampa Bay Rowdies v. FC Cincinnati/Indy Eleven NPSL winner
    Carolina RailHawks v. Charlotte Eagles/Charlotte Independence winner
    Fort Lauderdale Strikers v. Richmond Kickers/Aromas Cafe FC winner
    Miami FC v. Wilmington Hammerheads/Miami Fusion winner
    Jacksonville Armada v. Charleston Battery/The Villages SC winner
    NY Cosmos v. NY Pancyprian Freedoms/Jersey Express winner
    Indy Eleven v. Louisville City/Detroit City winner
    Minnesota United v. Saint Louis FC/AFC Cleveland winner
    Rayo OKC v. Mississippi Brilla FC/OKC Energy winner
    Chattanooga FC/Reading United winner v. West Chester United/Harrisburg City Islanders winner
    Pittsburgh Riverhounds/Lansdowne Bhoys winner v. Rochester Rhinos/Southie FC winner
    San Antonio FC /Corinthians FC San Antonio winner v. Des Moines Menace/Tulsa Roughnecks winner
    FC Tucson/Arizona United winner v. Colorado Springs Switchbacks/Harpos FC winner
    La Maquina/Sacramento Gold Winner v. Ventura County Fusion/Orange County Blues winner
    Kitsap Pumas/Seattle Sounders U23 winner v. Sacramento Republic v. CD Aguiluchos USA winner

    The Fourth Round is June 15.
     
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  9. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    8 of the 9 NASL teams will host in the 3rd round. Only Minnesota United will have to travel to either Cleveland or Saint Louis.
     
  10. The One X

    The One X Member+

    Sep 9, 2014
    Indiana
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    How do they decide who hosts?
     
  11. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    The pairings are geographic as much as possible. Teams apply to host and show that they can meet the requirements. If both teams in a pairing do so, then there is a draw.
     
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  12. Sam U El

    Sam U El Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 31, 2013
    Seoul Korea
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    [​IMG]

    US Open Cup Draw Highlights: Round 3


    The US Open Cup kicked off on Wednesday, May 11th with 23 matches being played across the country. There were 46 teams looking to make the second round of the Lamar Hunt US Open Cup. The 23 winners were drawn into 21 matches along with 17 USL clubs, and one additional NPSL and PDL club each joining the competition at the second round stage. The 3rd round draw took place on May 12th as the 21 potential winners of the 2nd round were drawn with 9 NASL clubs into 15 matches.


    Here are my most intriguing potential 3rd round matchups and storylines to watch for:

    http://midfieldpress.com/2016/05/15/us-open-cup-draw-highlights-round-3/
     
  13. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    2016 Canadian Championship tournament:

    Preliminary Round
    Wednesday, May 11, 2016
    FC Edmonton (NASL) 0-3 Ottawa Fury (NASL)

    Wednesday, May 18, 2016
    Ottawa Fury 0-2 FC Edmonton
    Ottawa advances on aggregate, 3-2

    Semifinals
    Wednesday, June 1
    Toronto FC (MLS) v. Montreal Impact (MLS)
    Ottawa Fury (NASL) v. Vancouver Whitecaps (MLS)

    Wednesday, June 8
    Montreal Impact v. Toronto FC
    Vancouver Whitecaps v. Ottawa Fury

    Finals
    June 22 and 29
     
  14. Sam U El

    Sam U El Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 31, 2013
    Seoul Korea
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  15. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    U.S. Open Cup
    Second Round

    Home team first.
    USL teams enter the tournament.

    Wednesday, May 18
    West Chester United (PA)(USASA) 0-2 Harrisburg City Islanders
    FC Cincinnati
    2-1 Indy Eleven NPSL (IN)(NPSL)
    Charlotte Eagles (NC)(PDL) 0-2 Charlotte Independence
    Richmond Kickers
    4-0 Aromas Cafe FC (VA)(USASA)
    Wilmington Hammerheads 5-0 Miami Fusion (FL)(NPSL)
    Louisville City 1-1 (pks. 3-1) Detroit City (MI)(NPSL)
    Rochester Rhinos 7-0 Southie FC (MA)(USASA)
    Pittsburgh Riverhounds 0-2 Lansdowne Bhoys (NY)(USASA)
    Charleston Battery 2-2 (pks. 2-4) The Villages SC (FL)(PDL)
    Chattanooga FC (NPSL) 0-0 (pks. 4-1) Reading United (PA)(PDL)
    Saint Louis FC 2-0 AFC Cleveland (OH)(NPSL)
    San Antonio FC 3-1 Corinthians FC San Antonio (TX)(NPSL)
    Mississippi Brilla FC (PDL) 0-0 (pks. 9-10) OKC Energy
    Des Moines Menace
    (IA)(PDL) 2-0 Tulsa Roughnecks
    La Maquina (CA)(USASA) 2-0 Sacramento Gold(CA)(NPSL)
    Colorado Springs Switchbacks 1-0 Harpos FC (CO)(USSSA)
    LA Wolves (CA)(USASA) 1-1 (pks. 4-2) Orange County Blues 9:00 pm
    Kitsap Pumas (PDL) 1-0 Seattle Sounders U23 (WA)(PDL)
    Sacramento Republic 5-0 CD Aguiluchos USA (CA)(NPSL)
    FC Tucson (AZ)(PDL) 0-5 Arizona United

    Thursday, May 19
    NY Pancyprian Freedoms (USASA) v. Jersey Express (PDL) 7:30 pm

    With 1 game to play in the 2nd round:
    Home teams went 14-6 on advancement.

    Advancement by affiliation:
    USL 13-4
    USASA 3-3
    PDL 3-5
    NPSL 1-7
    USSSA 0-1

    For the entire tournament so far:
    Home teams have went 25-17 on advancement.

    Advancement by affiliation:
    USL 13-4
    USASA 10-8
    USSSA 1-1
    PDL 11-15
    NPSL 8-14
    USCS 0-1
     
  16. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    U.S. Open Cup
    Third Round

    NASL teams enter in this round.
    Home teams first. Times are EDT.

    Wednesday, June 1
    Jacksonville Armada v. The Villages SC (FL) (PDL) 7:00 pm
    Fort Lauderdale Strikers v. Richmond Kickers (USL) 7:00 pm
    Rochester Rhinos (USL) v. Lansdowne Bhoys (NY)(USASA) 7:00 pm
    Tampa Bay Rowdies v. FC Cincinnati (USL) 7:30 pm
    Carolina RailHawks v. Charlotte Independence (USL) 7:30 pm
    NY Cosmos v. NY Pancyprian Freedoms/Jersey Express winner 7:30 pm
    Indy Eleven v. Louisville City (USL) 7:30 pm
    Chattanooga FC (NPSL) v. Harrisburg City Islanders (USL) 7:30 pm
    Miami FC v. Wilmington Hammerheads (USL) 8:00 pm
    Saint Louis FC (USL) v. Minnesota United 8:00 pm
    Rayo OKC v. OKC Energy (USL) 8:00 pm
    Des Moines Menace (PDL) v. San Antonio FC (USL) 8:30 pm
    Arizona United (USL) v. Colorado Springs Switchbacks (USL) 9:30 pm
    La Maquina (CA)(USASA) v. LA Wolves (USASA) 10:00 pm
    Sacramento Republic (USL) v. Kitsap Pumas (PDL) 10:30 pm

    The Fourth Round is June 15.
     
  17. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    The 4th Round pairings

    Without regard to hosting

    Wednesday, June 15
    New England Revolution v. Charlotte Independence/Carolina RailHawks winner
    New York City FC v. NY Cosmos/Jersey Express/NY Pancyprian winner
    New York Red Bulls v. Rochester/Landsdowne winner
    Philadelphia Union v. Chattanooga/Harrisburg winner
    DC United v. Fort Lauderdale/Richmond winner
    Columbus Crew v. Cincinnati/Tampa Bay winner
    Chicago Fire v. Indy Eleven/Louisville winner
    Sporting Kansas City v. Minnesota United/Saint Louis winner
    FC Dallas v. Rayo OKC/OKC Energy winner
    Houston Dynamo v. Des Moines/San Antonio winner
    Real Salt Lake v. Wilmington/Miami FC winner
    Colorado Rapids v. Co. Springs/Arizona United winner
    Seattle Sounders v. Kitsap Pumas/Sacramento Republic winner
    Orlando City v. Jacksonville/The Villages winner
    LA Galaxy v. LA Wolves/La Maquina winner
    San Jose Earthquakes v. Portland Timbers

    The exact dates could change and there is talk of some more forfeits.

    Of the NASL teams: Carolina, Jacksonville, Minnesota United, and Rayo OKC would host if they advance out of the 3rd round. The other five teams would go to an MLS opponent.
     
  18. The One X

    The One X Member+

    Sep 9, 2014
    Indiana
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Why would there be forfeits?
     
  19. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Maybe forfeit isn't the right word but that's what the USSF seems to call it. Apparently The Villages used an ineligible player against Charleston and that result might be changed. The guy who runs TheCup.us website says he has heard of another situation.
     
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  20. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    http://www.postandcourier.com/20160...ove-on-in-us-open-cup-after-villages-forfeit-



    That is the 2nd overturned result, one in each round, for the same offense; using a player that had previously played for a different team in the amateur qualifying tournament.
     
  21. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sounds ridiculous, but is it actually more common than you'd expect?

    Bummer for the The Villages as that was a pretty fun story.
     
  22. The One X

    The One X Member+

    Sep 9, 2014
    Indiana
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Yeah, I think disqualification would be a better term than forfeit.
     
  23. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    It has not happened as much in the past. It is the qualifying tournament last fall that seems to be tripping teams up. The rules say those games cap-tie you but some of the players and teams don't seem to understand that. A player switches teams in the off-season and they think they are good to go. In the first round situation, the coach of Ventura County asked the players if any of them had already played in the Open Cup. Two guys said they had so they weren't listed on the roster. The one who did play apparently didn't realize that the qualifying tournament counted.

    The other thing is the roster approval. Teams submit a roster and the USSF approves it so they think all of the players are OK. But all the USSF is saying is that we have your list of players and only these guys can play for you. They are not checking to see if those players have played before. The teams are supposed to be doing that.

    I'd guess The Villages situation is similar.
     
  24. The One X

    The One X Member+

    Sep 9, 2014
    Indiana
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    In that case, to me it sounds like USSF is the one screwing up, not the teams. In my opinion, the qualifying tournament should not restrict a players eligibility when there is an offseason in between that tournament and the actual US Open Cup. Also if they are calling it "roster approval" instead of submission, then they should be running those checks before the teams play, and not approving the rosters unless they fully comply with the US Open Cup rules.
     
  25. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    In defense of the USSF, the qualifying tournament was supposed to run into the spring. The original plan was to have the opening rounds in October and November (which did happen) but then have the third and fourth (and potential fifth) rounds of the tournament in February and March of 2016. Those rounds got cancelled party due to the relatively low number of teams that applied to be in the tournament and partly because of the disqualification of the MLS2 USL teams. They wound up letting a lot more amateur teams into the tournament.

    The rules for the qualifying tournament were written with the longer tournament in mind. It specifically says in the rules:

    [​IMG]

    As far as the roster approval, I don't see anywhere in the rules where it says the USSF is going to determine if players on the submitted rosters are eligible to play for a specific team. Some teams apparently understood it that way but I don't know the exact language that was used.
     

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