2 - 2 to Chivas. 4-4-2 formation: ------------------Marfuggi------------------ Chevannes---Spector-----Owens-----Germani ---------------------Grazer---------------- Diraimondo------------------------------Ashe --------------------Gonzalez--------------- ----------------Gaven----------Adu--------- Diraimando scored the first off a nice run by Freddie and an assist to Gaven. Memo scored the second on a penalty on Adu. Freddie was the real deal, great touch incredible dribbling, speed and great unpredicability. One time he literally dribbled rings around his defenders in the left corner. He may have been injured on the penalty though as he was subbed out for Watson. Corey Ashe was a terror on the left flank and Gaven was effective up front and Spector was very good in the defense except for two big blunders one of which led to a goal for Chivas (he took the free kick deep in his end and didn't lift the ball, so the attacker who picked it off made him pay). Gonzalez was very disapointing in this game. showed a little dribbling skill and scored the penalty but disapeared for long periods of time and didn't make good passes.
They are in the U19 super group. It cannot be the grown up side. I don't know how many levels of youth squads they have. Someone on Bigsoccer should be an expert and pipe in here.
I would have thought that the USMNT U-17 would stand a better Chance against Chivas reserve squad which are not known for producing talent. btw Chivas first team played today against UNAM. LOL i cant imagine them playing in a U-19 competition..
I was there too. I was really disappointed with the U17s inability to attack, other than Adu and Gaven. In fact I think 20 minutes past before the U17s even had their first shot. Chivas had two go off the posts, and deserved to be winning by a much larger margin. The U17s were reduced to counterattacking, and if they couldn't get a shot off quickly, they showed ZERO ability to hold the ball around Chivas' 18 yard box and find a clever way to break down the defense. Of course, you have to hold posession before you can even hope to break down a d, and the U17s had lots of trouble holding posession. It got better after Gonzalez came on, but basically only 3 guys would move into the attack. AMERINACCIO as Various Styles would call it. Pegasus, I would have put us in a 4-5-1 because Adu was extremely withdrawn in the midfield with Gaven up top all alone. The left and right backs were atrocious IMHO until a #6 or #7 got subbed in on the left side. He was miles more effective and seemed to have way better control than the previous left back. After seeing this game with Spector I would prefer that he go to Ajax instead of ManU to learn the short passing game. He is great at running up the field and in fact delivered a beautiful cross to Adu that caused the equalizing penalty shot. He has more trouble connecting on ground passes(from an admitted 1 game observation). DiRaimondo impressed me quite a bit---he can hold the ball fairly well under pressure, and actually combined with Bigsoccer's Watson near the end to almost produce the game winner. Chivas' players were very impressive IMHO. Combination play abounded and they had the better of the posession and chances by far. Every player understood where he was supposed to be, in stark contrast to the U.S. If their #10 matures well, he will make it to the senior Chivas squad. He played right wing and basically toyed with whoever was trying to defend him, and he was the smallest player on the field. The ball skills,holding ability under pressure and tactical awareness from this team is just something that we're praying that our kids will have in the future. If you didn't stick around for Benfica vs. Solar, you missed a highly entertaining one way game of Portuguese soccer at it's finest. I think Solar had their first shot of the game at around the 39 minute mark. No kidding.
Great Post Wanderer. Im gladd that Chivas reserve squads have improved. Like i stated earlier Club Guadalajara is not known for producing players but i must Note that the Club has been working with the Reserves for some time now. Currently in the first team we have three players that are quickly becomming prospects. Omar Bravo being one of them with 10 goals in the MFL which i believe makes him the top scoring Mexican. BTW can you tell me what style of play Chivas showed against the US U-17. Former Ajax youth head coach Hans Westerhof has become the new General Manager of Chivas and setting up a structure for the Youth teams has become one of his main prioritys. Thanks ps it's American Catenaccio
Adu helps Americans rally to tie in opener -- Dallas Morning News: http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/soccer/stories/041403dnspodallascup.adb1.html
I can't remember if they were 3-5-2 or 4-4-2. I think it was the latter. Everyone attacked from front to back, I even remember a center back pushing up and getting space and shooting. It was not totally dependent on individuality nor on collective play. Rather the players saw fit to either take guys on 1 v 1 or combine with another player according to the situation. They built out of the back and used the keeper for possession, like most Latin teams.
Chivas played three in the back. Match report at: www.topdrawersoccer.com Have to disagree with Pegasus re the performances of Gonzalez. He started the first goal, finished the second, sent Gaven through on another through ball that almost resulted in a goal, and just missed winning it at the end of the match. He gave the ball away a few times in midfield so there is room for improvement, but he is pretty evidently a dangerous player both in creating and finishing. Spector would be my man of the match, mistake on the free kick aside. U.S. is going to have to work for a big goal differential now to make the quarters. I don't see Chivas losing to the other two teams in the group (Azzuri and the Costa Rican club Municipal Perez Zeledon), so goal difference is the first tiebreaker. U16w also play tomorrow. Wanderer I'll be the guy with a notebook and a sunburn tomorrow at Richland. Come by and say hey.
I was on the sun beaten side myself with a black Real Madrid away jersey and a Dallas Burn fishing hat. The U14s from Albuquerque were behind me saying "Give Adu the ball" in the first half. I kept telling them that we have to either take it away from Chivas or hope that they have an errant pass first. I can't go tomorrow, but I'll be back on Wednesday.
Good article posted on this match at topdrawersoccer - http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/ScoreSheet/1050280555/view
The Chivas roster The Chivas roster competing in the Dallas Cup is actually made up of reserves from Chivas 2nd division team called Tapatio. Chivas = 1st Division team Tapatio = 2nd Division team Both teams are doing really well in the Mexican league, and if the young players in the Dallas Cup do well they might be considered to play on Tapatio. Chivas player #10 Marco Parra will be one to watch in the future.
I think that most of you take this Messiah stuff a little far. A little bit of perspective, the Donovan/Beasley group a few years ago couldn't do anything against the Under 19 teams from Mexican, Brazilian and European sides that make up this competition. While there may be players on the Under 17 squad who are good enough to be pros right not, that doesn't mean that the squad as a whole will be competitive with boys two years older. It was a good result, despite the disappointment of the naive.
Overall I think the score benefits the Americans more than Chivas, but to tell you the truth Chivas played a lot better than I expected. These two teams will not face each other anymore and it will come down to goal difference to see who advances. Both the US and Chivas are expected to beat the other teams in their group by a wide margin and whoever scores the most goals will go through. It should always be that simple right?
Re: Re: US 17's vs Chivas (R) OK, While I know this is not the place, I just realized that I've read this about a million times on BigSoccer and have no idea what it means. All I really know about Dutch youth soccer is that Ajax has a massive roster and has probabaly thousands of young players come through its doors each year for its training days. What, exactly, do the Dutch do so differently/well? I'd love some specific examples of structural and training wrinkles they've adopted since they get so much credit for this around here. If you end up posting (or seeing) something like this elsewhere on BigSoccer, or anywhere for that matter, I'd appreciate a link.
Re: Re: Re: US 17's vs Chivas (R) well i suppose first they bring in the ripest talent, so some of the credit can go to scouting that being said, one major aspect is that they preach the total voetbal approach - lends to versatility and 2-way players
Not completley sure with your judgement after an admitted 1 game observation? Aren't you the guy that said Ashe was nothing more than speed after reading he missed 6 shots against Jamaica on Match tracker? After now watching Ashe play a full game, What did you honestly think?
Re: Re: Re: Re: US 17's vs Chivas (R) Well, I'm familiar with the concept of "Total Football", but that doesn't go very far toward explaining Dutch youth development structure to me (not that you're obligated to do so, by any means -- just fishing for info).
well back to the real topic of this thread. my friend was at the game and he said adu was head and shoulders above everyone else, that everytime he touched the ball you thought he would score. he also said he thought he was about 5'10" which i thought was wierd. i know in the picture in sports illustrated where he is standing in the wal he is shorter than everyone else.
Adu is shorter than everyone else. But Chivas player Marco Parra also played one hell of a game... just ask the US defense!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: US 17's vs Chivas (R) Dave, it's so indepth you wouldn't believe it. The Dutch coaches hold symposiums all the time to discuss technical and tactical topics. Even the big pro clubs actually SHARE training secrets and tactics with everyone else. Almost all the youth teams play the same formation, 3-4-3. The pro clubs play it and of course the National Team plays it as well. Why? Because from the time you are a little child, you learn exactly what is expected of you in your position. You learn to make the same run that the National Team player is making. You see the same spacing, the same movements, the same timing that all Dutch teams practice. You use the same numbering system for positions (the famous #9 for instance is always a striker). The list goes on and on. The key is that all Dutch clubs train in the same system. Once you learn a position, you can go from team to team and slot right in....
If you want to see read THE book on Dutch youth soccer coaching, get Dutch Soccer School (??) by Bert Van lingen. Goes into tremendous detail about the Dutch small sided approach to training. I actually attending a KNVB coach's training session a few years back. These guys come to the states every summer to preach their gospel. There are definitely things I like about it, but it strikes me as simply way too confining an approach. Basically it's create a progressive series of small sided games that mimic triangular positions on the field, while you operate with certain key principles, such as make the longest on the ground pass you can make, and so o n. My understanding is that the Italians go about things COMPLETELY differently, especially at U14 and above. Coaches don't even show up for the first 45 minutes, as kids are supposed to work on technical skills/pair off with other players, and play self-organized games of keep away. Then the coaches organize various half field and full field scrimmage work with restrictions (such as 11 v 7, with scoring off crosses only) to mimic full field game patterns of play.