here is a compilation of Uroguay's games during qualifying. I believe they are beatable. I don't know if you guys know this, but Uroguay is a TINY country where Argentines vacation on or go on day trips for the beach. They have also been beaten by teams that we have done well against in friendlies. they even lost to Peru. We can do this my friends. Uruguay Qualifying Results Uruguay 5 – 0 Bolivia Paraguay 1 – 0 Uruguay Uruguay 2 – 2 Chile Brazil 2 – 1 Uruguay Uruguay 1 – 1 Venezuela Uruguay 6 – 0 Peru Colombia 0 – 1 Uruguay Uruguay 0 – 0 Ecuador Argentina 2 – 1 Uruguay Bolivia 2 – 2 Uruguay Uruguay 2 – 0 Paraguay Chile 0 – 0 Uruguay Uruguay 0 – 4 Brazil Venezuela 2 – 2 Uruguay Peru 1 – 0 Uruguay Uruguay 3 – 1 Colombia Ecuador 1 – 2 Uruguay Uruguay 0 – 1 Argentina they qualified by beating out costa rica in the 0.5 spot with 0-1 win and a 1-1 tie.
I think this history is instructive, but CONMEBOL quals is nothing if not a frying pan where even very good teams can suffer set-backs. Watching Uruguay over the past fortnight, and what you see is a solid back-line with an attacking system that places a good deal of pressure on the opposition. 3 5 2 turns into a 3 1 4 2 which then flexes into a 3 4 1 2. If you go back and watch build-ups, you'll see the 5 midfielders constantly move from 1 4 to 4 1 as situations permit. How this is done is the 3 5 2 system. Oppositions unfamiliar with the pressure tend to fold inward to defend, and that's how clean sheets are created - there are simply no shots on goal because build-ups are disrupted by an extra defender and an extra attacker (there is always seeming to be an extra player on the side of the ball). The result so far? Mexico, France and SA combined had the same number of shots on goal as Korea did against Nigeria. Somewhat ironic, but Uruguay's system may not be well suited against the Koreans, who don't necessarily rely on build-ups to score goals in any case. If Korea's defense tightens up, I think this could be an upset victory for the AFC standard-bearers, against the mighty CONMEBOL, and one that sends Korea into the quarterfinals.
argentina was thrashed by bolivia at La Paz... but guess what? they tore apart a new a$$hole in korea's defense. reading from those matches mean jack sht
I think the formation may be something similar like this... FW: Forlan-Forlan MF: Forlan- Forlan -Forlan- Forlan DF: Forlan-Some other guy- Another guy next to some other guy- Forlan GK: Forlan
Lets be honest. It doesn't matter what happened during qualifying. What matters is right now, The World Cup Uruguay has momentum coming in to the R16 match, they have been scoring goals and they have being playing well, we just got to hope that the Korean team that we know shows up because he not seen it yet (We seen a sneak peak against the Greeks but it is not the best they can do) Kim Dong Jin should start, not over LYP in a different position. Lee Dong Gook and Park Chu Young partnership up top and maybe even a Kim Jae Sung over Kim Jung Woo
just posting those results as a point of discussion and to encourage some of you more pessimistic guys that Uruguay are not unbeatable.
I warned prior to Argentina's match (I lived in South America for five years and do still follow CONMEBOL qualifying) -- that Argentina at this time is not the same side that struggled during CONMEBOL qualifying. At the time, I said that I believed Argentina to be the favorite to win the tournament. Uruguay has been a strong side in South American football, but I actually think that the last ten years or so has been one of their weaker time periods. They may be returning to power, but they are not the very strong side like when they had a guy named Victorino. Forlan is a pretender compared to him. Our wounds from Argentina has left many thinking that a very daunting task lay ahead of us. Take heart, my fellow lovers of Futbol Coreano -- we have a VERY good shot of beating Uruguay (they are the least strong South American side in the tournament -- I would rank them 1) Argentina 2) Brazil 3) Chile 4) Paraguay 5) Uruguay. I agree with the poster who thought that Mexico would have been a tougher match for Korea -- I definitely do agree with that. Just as I thought that the Argentines would be a very tough opponent, I think now that the opposite holds true -- we couldn't have asked for a better round of 16 opponent. I'm not saying it will be easy, but I think we have better than even odds.
This should have gone into the Uruguay pre-match thread... But anyway, no disprespect to Uruguay because they are a strong side, but can we really judge them based on their Group A performances? That was by far the easiest group in the tournament. They got the best possible seeded team, an underperforming host nation in South Africa and the best possible Euro team, an imploding France that picked up 1 point in the group stages. Let that sit in your minds; France is the worst performing Euro team in the entire tournament, even Greece did better than them. So that leaves Mexico. A good team but nothing to make you shake in your boots. Coupled with this is the fact that Aguirre has essentially handcuffed the Mexican attack with aging players while Chicharito has to wait on the bench to get minutes. So let's look at the results. A scoreless tie with an imploding French team. Their only decisive win was against South Africa, who are close runner-ups to the Punching Bag Award behind France. Against Mexico they managed a 1-0 win. I have yet to watch that match (downloading now in 720p ) but this so-called Uruguayan wall has not yet been really tested in this tourney. I'm not saying we're that much better than Mexico (we might not be at all) but if Mexico had a fighting chance and lost by a single goal then there is no reason we don't have a chance as well.
i considered that but thought that a specific thread for analysis focusing on the Uruguay team might be better as supposed to a general discussion. I agree with your analysis, I think Group A was an easy group. I hope our players do not fear them. Football is foremost a mental game. If you go into a match fearing your opponents too much you've already lost the game mentally.
Is anyone else extremely woried that our RB position is our weakest, and Suarez has pretty much been the strongest left-sided player in the world this season?
Up until Higuain's 2nd goal, Korea was still in the running with Argentina. If Korea hadn't scored that unlucky OG, who knows how it may have turned out? Or if Yeom had buried that 1-on-1 chance with the GK? The 1-4 loss to Argentina is not a good reflection of the match as a whole. We did some very positive things in the match, and we shouldn't be so despondent over the Uruguay encounter. We're still the only team to put a goal against Argentina. In fact, I think we're the only team to even seriously pose a threat to score against them.
but then again you're pointing out one out of two of korea's main deficiencies... which is defense... the other would obviously be the strikers.... as i heard before, korea's main problem is that their true talent lies within midfield... but what can they do if the strikers aren't doing their job and the defense is sucking cock? first of all, korea's defense needs to step up bigtime... their gaping defensive holes are ridiculous... it baffles me to watch defenders stand still, watching the ball move towards them while they have daiquiris. it is no surprise that most of nigeria's chances spurt out of counter attacks... and korea was VERY LUCKY... that sitter yakubu missed would've sealed the deal... and that surely wasn't the only chance the nigerians had... had huh rationalized the game with an attacking mindset, things would've changed... for some dumb ass reason, he keeps thinking that "parking the bus" is a good tactical move when korea maintains a strong offensive momentum... it frustrated me to watch kim nam il walk in... and i'm glad that it bit huh up in the ass... he needs to stop playing like a dirty rat and think of the beautiful game with beautiful tactics.
i'm get sick and tire of read this BS. We got some very sh1t player. How r we gona play beutiful game w/ our shit striker? we got 2 choice. we can throw in sh1t striker and suk at attack or sh1t defender and suck at D choose
I think Wreckless was referring to a more attacking positive minded style of play, rather than hunkered down pack the back ugly stuff...
Our midfield is not that good. We just pray and hope our through passes make it. OR. We attempt to make a cross but the Right back/left back stops it. The ball goes out and it turns into a throw in from the sideline. The process continues until we get a corner kick... We are not playing with much finesse. Huh seems to put all our hopes on set pieces. Pretty sure the same things going to happen against Uruguay. We are probably going to have greater % possession then they are too.
yes, korea has some shitty strikers, but they need to gamble with a 4-4-2, 4-4-1-1 or a shittier 5-3-2 formation... at this point, korea has nothing to lose... that's why, two strikers up front because there is no FCKING way in hell park chuyoung will score as a lone striker. we've all seen the lack of effectiveness in his finishing... sure, he makes good runs and passes, but what does it matter if the kid can't do jack shit in front of goal, he needs someone to back him up unfortunately..
Haven't we sort of been playing a warped 4-4-1-1 with Yeom Kihun up there somewhere? I agree on the 2 strikers bit. I think if LSR or LDG have been up to the task in training, it's time for them to step up.
Oh I wasn't standing up for yeom, I was only asking about our formation... I don't get how this thread is different from the Uruguay prematch thread
look i'm rack my brain i dunno what we gota do either. i think we gota focus get our best player on pich, we got to many sh1t players whos play now. IMO obvius canidate for bench is Yum and Kim Jung Woo. But whos gona take Yum's spot. i dont belief LDG anymore, he's pass his prime he can't beat NT level D. Ahn's outa shape is he gona in shape by next week? Can Lee Seung Ryul play. i think we gamble Lee Seung Rul and if he suck we can sub him out but Yum's gota go, 1 foot player is usless I dunno who takeover Kim Jung Woo is he best we got? do u wana play Kim Dong Jin out of positon? our bench is thin, its just Dong, Seug Ryul, Dong Jin, Jae Sung. tell me who u like from this guys as our starter or resever