United v Real

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Albion + England, Apr 25, 2003.

  1. After the hype about Real in the first leg, nobody bothers to mention how Utd tore Real apart the other night, fair play to Ronaldo, he's the only player who gets credit from me for Real. They had 4 shots in 90 minutes, United battered em, they created so many chances but i remember saying after the 3-2 game a couple of years ago that Casillas is a lucky keeper, everything just hits him and rebounds safely, Ron Atkinson was sayin the same thing. Real were extremely lucky to get past United. I'm not being anti-Real Madrid i think they are a fantastic side and i'm not being pro-English for Utd but if only the game saluted the team that deserved to go through, that was United in my opinion. Thats just football though.
     
  2. sinner78

    sinner78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 7, 2001
    Man U's attacking plan was successful..
    but the defence let them down a little bit IMHO.
     
  3. idi amin

    idi amin New Member

    Man u were the lucky team 1 legiitamte goal by van Nist, 1 og, another possible og but given to Beckham. And Beckhams free kick should not have been given. Ruud Van Nistelrooy dove foward like he was divimg off the starting blocks in a swimming competition, watch the replay and look at his arms.
     
  4. sinner78

    sinner78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 7, 2001
    Own goals are part and parcel of football...
    if you dont like them then I suggest you write to FIFA and ask for a rule change...
    Dont be suprised if they laugh in your face.
    lmao
     
  5. Dr. Boots

    Dr. Boots Member+

    Aug 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I watched both matches and yeah Man U looked a hell of a sight better this time but still they had everything to play for and Real only had to score two goals to put it beyond Uniteds reach and they took care of that with a fair bit of ease I would say.

    The back line at Real looked a bit suspect to say the least and to be fair so did Man U's(I agree with Sinner here, take note this is the only time I have ever done such a thing).

    I mean a seven goal game usually points to some mistakes by the back four and/or the keeper. I would say good defending would have prevented all but Beck's first goal and Ronnies third.

    I just can't see either of the two sides putting that many goals past Juve or one of the Milan sides still in the draw, they have too strong of a defensive concept, I don't think Real will have trouble scoring I just dont think they will have such a glut of goals as they did with Man U .

    I like both sides because of the fun way they play football and I respect good teams and matches, so I am not trying to knock anyone here just point out the pretty clear weakness in both sides.

    Oh and as often as I knock Beckham I will have to give the devil his due while he was on the pitch he was the difference between the sides, and his second goal looked to me to be getting ready to come off the post before he pushed it across the line in a bit of hard work and good positional sense.

    If Ronaldo had done that he would have been prasied for doing the dirty work that strikers need to do as well as getting the sublime strikes that he has become famous for, just food for thought.
     
  6. Oscar

    Oscar Member+

    Nov 30, 2001
    Holland
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Not quite as good as Madrid ripped them apart

    I'm sure the other Madrid players will live without receiving your credit....just barely, but they will.

    3-1 and 4-3

    Or the players that try to score against him are just crapola

    wow

    We were so lucky we didn't get at least one deserved penalty
    We were so lucky Manchester's goalie didn't get a red card
    We were so lucky Manchester still needed to score 2 more goals to go through....¿I guess they wanted the Madrid players to score those 2 as well? :confused:

    I'm not being anti-you, but you're wrong. :)
     
  7. MadridForever

    MadridForever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 29, 2001
    Madrid, Spain
    The wednesday we saw the best game of the year. And one of the best games in the CL history. A celebration of the offensive soccer, with for me the two teams that deserve to be in the final this year.


    About the goals, the Real Madrid controled very well the game. They now their first leg advantage. When they made the third goal the Manchester needed to make 4 GOALS MORE to win, the game was ended. The Real made goals everytime that they see the clasification in danger.
     
  8. I'm wrong in your opinion, and as you said in your post about the Madrid players living with mine then i think i'll manage too with your clever little remarks.

    By the way, Madrid battered them in the first leg? What, United created more chances geezer, Real scored a lucky goal, one decent finish and a half chance. You created hardly anything in the way of good chances. All you did was do a few flicks outside the box.

    Casillas IS a lucky keeper, no doubt, what i'm saying is that the ball rebounds off him and could go anywhere but it always goes to a safe place. Theres no skill in it, just luck. As i said before i'm not anti-Real, i've always liked them in fact, but they just didn't deserve it. I'd say the same if my team won a game undeservedly.
     
  9. Oscar

    Oscar Member+

    Nov 30, 2001
    Holland
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    .Madrid apparently created better chances (in the 1st leg)

    .Manchester created hardly anything in the way of an actual goal in the 1st leg. And what a goal....talk about a luck. And then there's the goals players from Madrid had to make in the 2nd leg..talk about luck #2.

    .All we did was score more goals than Manchester, while looking like the better team in both games.

    He stops the ball from going into the goal, doesn't matter how he does it just as long as he does ...that's what he's supposed to do. :confused: Saying he's 'lucky', is like saying a player is 'lucky' to score because he doesn't shoot the ball against the goalie but into the goal.

    Oh, I'd say it as well. It's just that it's completely not the case. :)
     
  10. pololo

    pololo Member

    Jun 1, 2000
    Sweden/Stockholm
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    I don't call a 4-3 game "tore apart"or "battered" the other team.I saw the game and it doesn't make sense what you said
     
  11. pookspur

    pookspur Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 3, 2001
    Indiana
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    whereas barthez's didn't rebound, at all. not because he held them, but because he never touched them.

    look, the game's not decided by chances created, it's decided by goals. and whenever madrid got a sniff, they got a goal. they finished superbly. now i'll be first to praise united's efforts, but they didn't finish terribly well, now, did they. hitting just wide, hitting the woodwork, or even hitting the keeper just doesn't count.

    united's effort and play was excellent. but to suggest that the better side lost is off base. madrid was better.
     
  12. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    I'll try to answer this seriously.

    Real Madrid were more deserving than ManU. Real utterly dominated in at least one half of the first game. They also didn't need to 'batter' the other team. Ever. That's because they scored the goals when they needed it at their convenience.

    To cap it all ManU in both games was always behind and Real was always confident
     
  13. JoeBloggs

    JoeBloggs New Member

    Mar 3, 2002
    UK
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I believe Man Utd's greatest fault is that their defence is week. The defence has not looked solid in the Premiership, never mind when were playing Real Madrid.
    When ever Real Madrid attacked they looked if they could score.

    Well look on the bright side we got further than Liverpool, although I suppose thats no great achievement really lol.
     
  14. comme

    comme Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    You can't say that Madrid were unlucky with the own goals, as United put the pressure on them and forced the error. If Helguera hadn't touched the ball RVN would have scored and for Beckham's tap in, if Hierro had not played it Giggs had an empty net.
    Casillas is lucky, but that is part of being a goalkeeper. Good teams get luck.
    United did dominate the second leg, and could easily have scored more in the first. Solskjaer missed two sitters, and if he had scored then, who knows. But he didn't, Madrid are through but wil have to defend better against Juve, as they will not score every time they attack.
     
  15. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    I'm puzzeled by why a few of you Mancs are tossing out the word easily so much. The only easy thing seen in the field was how easily Madrid got the goals they needed.
     
  16. astabooty

    astabooty Member

    Nov 16, 2002
    China
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ummm...no? the last 30mins of the game were good, the last 15 or so were exciting, but best game of the year? One of the best in CL history?
    is this a joke, it wasn't that good of a game. Although if Man U found a way to win it then it would of been.

    Now I really really hated Real, but there is no way in hell Man U battered/destroyed them. I believe they were definitely the better team this game and maybe with Ronaldo not having his performance or Man U having a keeper that is competant then they could of pulled it out.
     
  17. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    There was always the feeling that Real was just “cruising.”
    They came into the 2nd leg winning 3-1 and after Ronaldo’s goal Utd had to get 4 clear goals to win.
    Tell me that doesn’t mean anything to the way the game was played…!

    Every time Utd got a goal, Real came back easily and kept the clear lead.

    Despite RVN’s antics and flops and Utd resorting to hacking, Real still won with class.

    Did anyone notice, how much topspin and dip Ronaldo’s shots on goal had. His first one dipped and the bounce in front of Barthez completely fooled him, as did the 24 yarder as it blew by him.

    The other issue was the Fergie/Beckham thing. Bringing him on late and then Fergies dirty looks at Beckham could have killed.
     
  18. gento

    gento New Member

    Jun 24, 2002
    Valencia(Spain)
    LOL.
    United tore Real apart...but was never close to going through the semis.United had no chance of going to the semifinales even with Anders Frisk stelaing a clear PK to Real in 1st leg.
    Madrid toyed with United.
     
  19. Never got near? They only lost by 1 goal. Toyed with Utd? Did you watch the game at Old Trafford when you got outplayed?
     
  20. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

    Club Med
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Finally someone with an objective point of view.
     
  21. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    After Real's first goal, this was nothing but a glorified friendly.
     
  22. gento

    gento New Member

    Jun 24, 2002
    Valencia(Spain)
    No,never got near.
    The lost by 1 goal?Well,they needed 2 more goals.Not just 1.
    They scored in min 86. and needed 2 more goals to going through.
    Good try,
     
  23. Motterman

    Motterman Member

    Jul 8, 2002
    Orlando, FL
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yep, we could never score 2 goals in 4 minutes in a big European match... [​IMG]
     
  24. gento

    gento New Member

    Jun 24, 2002
    Valencia(Spain)
    These things happen 1 time in 100 years.
    Anyway,you are right.ManUtd was very close to going to the semifinales and I was scared as hell when you scored at min.86
     
  25. RIO17

    RIO17 New Member

    Jun 19, 2002
    Soon to be Denver,CO
    That is by far one of the most stupid comments I've heard in such a long time.

    There is a reason that Casillas was playing in the Champions League at 18 years old, and is not only the starting keeper at Madrid, but also for the Spanish National Team.

    There is a reason that he was known for stopping penalties and establishing his presence in the 2002 World Cup, and that was not luck. It is skill, and you should learn to recognize that skill instead of making yourself look like an idiot calling it "luck."

    Those are the words of a loser, and a poor one at that.

    - Joe
     

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