United States presidential election, 2008 [NSR]

Discussion in 'Colombia' started by minus, Sep 5, 2008.

  1. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake

    los intelectuales no eligen presidentes, solo los critican!
    el pueblo comun y corriente elige lo que se merece..efer
     
  2. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Entonces colombia merece un narco-para-presidente y USA se merece un C-Student, former alcoholic, good-for-nothing, silver-spoon, miss-speaking cowboy?


    Pero en medio de todo estoy de acuerdo, efer....
     
  3. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    a este le parece interesante la definicion de 'intelectual'
    le sera mas interesante todos los matices que puede adquirir al terminar college!
     
  4. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Siempre me ha sorprendido la facilidad de los Republicanos de poner connotacion negativa en palabras que son realmente positivas.




    Intellectual



    1.appealing to or engaging the intellect: intellectual pursuits. 2.of or pertaining to the intellect or its use: intellectual powers. 3.possessing or showing intellect or mental capacity, esp. to a high degree: an intellectual person. 4.guided or developed by or relying on the intellect rather than upon emotions or feelings; rational. 5.characterized by or suggesting a predominance of intellect: an intellectual way of speaking. –noun 6.a person of superior intellect. 7.a person who places a high value on or pursues things of interest to the intellect or the more complex forms and fields of knowledge, as aesthetic or philosophical matters, esp. on an abstract and general level. 8.an extremely rational person; a person who relies on intellect rather than on emotions or feelings. 9.a person professionally engaged in mental labor, as a writer or teacher.

    Liberal

    1.favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs. 2.(often initial capital letter[​IMG]) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform. 3.of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism. 4.favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties. 5.favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers. 6.of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies. 7.free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners. 8.open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc. 9.characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts: a liberal donor. 10.given freely or abundantly; generous: a liberal donation. 11.not strict or rigorous; free; not literal: a liberal interpretation of a rule. 12.of, pertaining to, or based on the liberal arts. 13.of, pertaining to, or befitting a freeman. –noun 14.a person of liberal principles or views, esp. in politics or religion. 15.(often initial capital letter[​IMG]) a member of a liberal party in politics, esp. of the Liberal party in Great Britain.
     
  5. MrPaisa

    MrPaisa New Member

    Jul 17, 2007
    Madison, NY
    He doesn't understand dapip, I wouldn't even try. :( sucks for us "intellectuals" to be smart doesn't it?
     
  6. Siempreconlamecha

    Apr 4, 2005
    I wouldn't say it sucks, I'd say it's frustrating...
     
  7. FLFootballFan

    FLFootballFan Member

    Apr 18, 2007
    Club:
    Nacional de Medellin
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I think they're always more than way to view things. Currently, it seems that anything that does not favor a Democratic platform is either wrong or "outdated". I would think that things should be more balanced and not so much like Obama is the one and only answer. Like I expressed before, I like none of the candidates for several reasons. Both have terrible flaws in my eyes....
     
  8. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    No tienes que ser intelectual para reconocer que un partido busca ayudarte y el otro busca ayudarse...

    Lo dificil es que el pueblo no tiene acceso a los asuntos que importan, porque los medios de comunicacion buscan escandalizar...
     
  9. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Who said Obama is the only answer to America's problems? You are making the very kind of generalized and over simplified argument you are accusing Democrats of.

    Its a two party system (for better or worse) and I think the main point is that given 85% of the country (that naturally includes people in the left and the right) think we are heading in the wrong direction - it makes little sense to elect the candidate that wants to continue the policies that have steered us into this predicament.

    So Obama isn't the only answer, his platform is simply, IMHO, a superior alternative to what McCain is promoting. Which is why, logically, McCain's campaign has pledged to make this about personalities rather than issues. But is that really how we should want our elections based?
     
  10. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    ese es el problema, aca en USA ultimamente y por decadas en latinamerica.

    form Mid to low classes esta sociedad, nunca absorbe la mitad de las cosas que se dicen o se creen ser ciertas de cada candidato y su acompañante de formula.

    Creo que este grp esta muy ocupado haciendo su vida en el 'day to day; que decimos los sureños. No creo que la realidad sea muy distinta entre los anglos al norte del dizie line.
     
  11. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    an you do?
     
  12. ogopogo

    ogopogo Member

    Oct 13, 2005
    Lake Okanagan
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
  13. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
  14. FLFootballFan

    FLFootballFan Member

    Apr 18, 2007
    Club:
    Nacional de Medellin
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Palin's older daughter is kinda cute, no?
     
  15. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    the pregnant one?
     
  16. minus

    minus Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jul 18, 2004
    Portugal
    Club:
    Junior Barranquilla
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Word...
     
  17. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    her mom is a former beauty queen yea shes cute haha
     
  18. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Two pieces of news that I would like to share:

    My two cents: The only thing that you can actually say thanks to this horrible administration for, is that people will flock to vote Democrat.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/23/AR2008092303667.html?nav=hcmodule

    Turmoil in the financial industry and growing pessimism about the economy have altered the shape of the presidential race, giving Democratic nominee Barack Obama the first clear lead of the general-election campaign over Republican John McCain, according to the latest Washington Post-ABC News national poll.




    Just 9 percent of those surveyed rated the economy as good or excellent, the first time that number has been in single digits since the days just before the 1992 election. Just 14 percent said the country is heading in the right direction, equaling the record low on that question in polls dating back to 1973.

    More voters trust Obama to deal with the economy, and he currently has a big edge as the candidate who is more in tune with the economic problems Americans now face. He also has a double-digit advantage on handling the current problems on Wall Street, and as a result, there has been a rise in his overall support. The poll found that, among likely voters, Obama now leads McCain by 52 percent to 43 percent. Two weeks ago, in the days immediately following the Republican National Convention, the race was essentially even, with McCain at 49 percent and Obama at 47 percent


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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/23/AR2008092303097.html?hpid=topnews

    In all that's been said in recent days about the latest proposals to rescue the financial system, two words have been conspicuously absent.



    They are the words that Americans need to hear before they commit $2,300 for every man, woman and child to rescue the financial system.
    They are the words we need to hear before taxpayers are put in the position of rescuing arrogant and overpaid financiers from the full consequences of their bad bets and misguided decisions.

    Most of all, they are the words that elected senators and representatives need to hear before they entrust the secretary of the Treasury with extraordinary power and discretion to spend public money and actively manage the markets and the economy:



    "We're sorry."


    Their decision -- our decision -- will come down to a much simpler question: We've got one last chance to fix this thing. Are we willing to put our fate once again in the hands of financiers who have already abused our trust?

    On the other hand, it would certainly capture people's attention if the heads of Citigroup, Goldman Sachs, Bank of America and Morgan Stanley were to stand before the cameras in the Capitol rotunda, apologize for letting down their investors and their employees and voluntarily offer to suspend their extravagant compensation schemes until the crisis has passed and new regulations are in place.
     
  19. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    esta noche el primer debate


    quien y cual es la mejor formula en el ambito financiero?

    ahora no solo necesitamos un buen politico en cuestiones nacionales e Internacionales, sino un exelente economista con experiencia en finanzas


    cual formula? obama- el senador ese (no disrecpet, se me olvido el nombre)
    o palin -Mcain
     
  20. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Despues de 3 debates (uno de los VPs), las dos celebres entrevistas de Palin y la debacle de los mercados financieros, como ven las elecciones?

    Parece ser que solo algo extraordinario impediria el triunfo de Obama-BIDEN, pero nunca hay que subestimar a los estrategas republicanos.

    Les dejo dos links interesantes:

    Un articulo sobre McCain en RollingStone y el link a NPR.org donde pueden jugar a predecir los votos electorales.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

    http://www.npr.org/news/specials/election2008/2008-election-map.html#/president-nprOvM/
     
  21. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    en el primer debate los dos hacian gargaras y se salian por la tangente a cada pregunta de interes economico o financiero
    en el segundo, mas acertados en sus posiciones, mcain acorta distancias, pero no a raiz de los debates.
    Obama seguramente sera elegido y capitaliza en su popularidad desde antexs de debates -la estratega republicana de darle al abogado duro en el ambito de experiencia estrecho diferencias, pero no es suficiente para un pais cansado del amigo Bush......
     
  22. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    En la revista Time hacen un analisis muy simpatico de los aspectos mas criticos de la eleccion semana a semana. Despues de la convencion Republicana, McCain-Palin ganaron las justas dos semanas consecutivas. Despues de eso ha sido barrida Democrata, desde la pobreza intelectual que Palin dejo ver en sus entrevistas con Kouric y las apresuradas intervenciones de McCain en el asunto del Bail-out.
     
  23. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    la ventaja siempre ha sido de Obama

    antes de nombrar vice y despues (se cerro un poco la diferencia)


    hoy en dia que es? 3 puntos de ventaja para Obama con tendencia a subir?
     
  24. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia

    Mas que los 3 puntos a nivel global, tienes que mirar el mapa electoral. Segun como estan las cuentas Obama esta ganando en todos los estados tradicionalmente democratas, inclinando fuertemente la balanza en los "swing states" y empezando a emparejar las cuentas en algunos estados tradicionalmente republicanos. Segun el sitio que te digo NPR Obama casi que tiene asegurados los 270 votos electorales necesarios para ganar la presidencia.
     
  25. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Que 3 puntos? Va ganando en casi todas las encuestas por mas de 6 (varios lo tienen +10) -> Pero falta un mes y todo puede cambiar.

    Ojala la gente no se deje enganar por la campana asquerosa que esta corriendo McCain. Esto de proponer a un politico nacional como Obama como terrorista no tiene lugar en una sociedad como la nuestra.
     

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