PBP: United States @ Panama; 10/10; 6pm ET

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by AutoPenalti, Oct 10, 2021.

  1. TurdFerguson

    TurdFerguson Member

    United States
    Jan 11, 2013
    if we don’t care about winning on the road why not play guys like LDLT, Richards, HOPPE, Busio who have upside but limited experience.
     
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  2. MuchoTakeItEasy

    LAFC
    United States
    May 16, 2015
    Land of the Free
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree there. I think it was a balance (and turned out to be a waste). The internal process is probably (the poor assessment) that the guys from the last window give you a better chance and you take the players that give you the best chance given the self-imposed minute restriction for the best XI. I sure hope the next game where we decide we need to rotate we don't weigh experience so heavily. I don't think anyone gameplans for both fullback, and 2 CMs to all have their worst game at the same time though, so...yeah we take the L. I don't even really evaluate Weah or Zardes given how poor our ball progression was.
     
  3. TurdFerguson

    TurdFerguson Member

    United States
    Jan 11, 2013
    HOPPE PEPI WEAH
    AARONSON ADAMS WESTON
    ROBINSON ROBINSON RICHARDS DEST

    If any of lletget or Zardes or Acosta or bello or Moore see the field Gregg should be fired. Feels like he is losing the team already.
     
  4. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    May 29, 2010
    McAllen, TX
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This was the game GGG should have put in Busio (over Acosta) , LDLT (over Lletget), Richards over Mckenzie, after all GGG did mention post match that he went to Panama looking for a tie not a win! Put Hoppe over Zardes or Hoppe over Arriola and start Pepi again over Zardes! Pepi is 18, for crying out loud! Wonder how Scally can play at LB compared to Bello if GGG ever decides to call up the "inexperienced" Bundesliga who has been on team of the week over the MLS player of the same age.

    But either way, I think GGG will try to repeat the line he brought out in the 2nd half vs Jamaica and start them vs Costa Rica. Players like Hoppe, Richards, LDLT, and Busio were called up just to vacation, apparently. I don't think GGG will start those 4 players vs Costa Rica because they are "inexperienced", according to GGG.
     
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  5. TurdFerguson

    TurdFerguson Member

    United States
    Jan 11, 2013
    Any verticality updates Gregg Brigade?
     
  6. Crewmudgeon

    Crewmudgeon Member+

    Sep 3, 1999
    Crewdom
    I blame NPR.

    That's right.

    Last month I'm listening to NPR and on the hourly news break they include an item about the USMNT was playing Canada. And what happens? We lose to Canada 1-1.

    Then Sunday I'm listening to NPR and again during the hourly news break they include an item about the USMNT playing Panama.

    D@#$% you NPR.
     
  7. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    you can't drop guys match by match, the end of every window you will need 10 new guys and things wont get better they'll get worse.
     
  8. Calcio Bambino

    Calcio Bambino Red Card

    Jun 30, 2002
    Thibodaux, LA
    Did we get worse or better in giving Bello another game to start and play?
     
  9. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    who is after bello?

    and who is after the guy who is after bello?

    who is after that guy?

    think about it

    dest played poorly at lb so you drop him
    robinson then had a poor match so you drop him
    bello them had a poor match so you drop him

    who is next?
    sam vine?
    matt real?

    you can't just drop people because of a bad match. Bello isn't a guy who should be starting matches they need to have a plan b behind robinson.
     
  10. Calcio Bambino

    Calcio Bambino Red Card

    Jun 30, 2002
    Thibodaux, LA
    I asked you did we get worse or better. You failed to answer and are now trying to deflect from my question.
     
  11. orcrist

    orcrist Member+

    Jun 11, 2005
    Bay Area, California, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  12. winster

    winster Member

    Jul 7, 2008
    Club:
    Besiktas JK
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  13. rustysurf83

    rustysurf83 Member

    Dec 30, 2015
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Are the 2022 WC groups going to be formed in the same manner as 2018? If that’s the case, I’d be very concerned with the US falling out of the top 16 and ending up in a very difficult group. Everyone seems so infatuated with qualifying that I think they don’t see the long range issues that losing to teams like Panama (or even CRC) creates…
     
  14. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    I didnt answer because its a silly question

    how deep do you think they should go at a position? just a new lb every match and if someone does ok they get another shot but they dont and they're gone forever.

    they'd be like 10 deep this year at every position lol
     
  15. nycfc919

    nycfc919 Member+

    Aug 17, 2015
    Dest and Scally should be the next two options after Robinson at LB, not Bello. IMO that’s a very clear thing. Some people think Paredes is clearly ahead of Bello too — haven’t seen him play enough to comment.
     
  16. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    under the idea that you have to drop a player after a bad performance dest is long gone especially as an option on the left.

    Scally would be an option but one bad performance remember and he'd be out so you need at least 5/6 guys at every spot to get through qualifying

    my point is bello isn't great but he's also better then what people saw and they know it. They shouldn't have played him with basically backup midfield outside of musah and backups up front. his performance would've magically improved had there been more around him.
     
  17. Calcio Bambino

    Calcio Bambino Red Card

    Jun 30, 2002
    Thibodaux, LA
    You didn’t answer, because you have no argument. You instead ran and deflected from it, because you are nothing other than a sophist.
     
  18. Calcio Bambino

    Calcio Bambino Red Card

    Jun 30, 2002
    Thibodaux, LA
    Fascism is Born from Socialism. Fascism is collectivism. Mussolini, the father of Fascism, was a lifelong member of Italy’s Socialist party and wrote and edited Italy’s Socialist Newspaper, Avanti.
     
  19. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    better off

    now what?
     
  20. orcrist

    orcrist Member+

    Jun 11, 2005
    Bay Area, California, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is all completely wrong. And fascist propaganda.
    I repeat: G T F O H
     
  21. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    #921 Ghost, Oct 12, 2021
    Last edited: Oct 12, 2021
    I'm doing a rewatch. It's halftime. Some thoughts:

    1) Matt Turner was bad. After the game, I had a suspicion that he didn't play well. Watching again, I thought he was outright bad. His distribution was really poor, as many have noted. But I also think he turned three playable balls into fingertip saves by getting a slow read on them - the double corners and the dipping shot. He also let the ball hop in his box on one of their best opportunities - the looper from Gondola.

    2) Thought Shaq was OK. A lot of play came down his side and only one was all that dangerous (the looper). Clearly the best of the backline distributing or coming forward. Fouled a little too much. Got away with the elbow.

    3) Thought that Weah didn't see a lot of the ball but started the only halfway threatening plays - a couple of over the tops to Arriola, and a run on goal that Gyasi cut off. Gyasi wasn't good or bad - just there.

    4) Too many turnovers from Musah, but also the best runs forward. Lletget was valuable on D, but killed three forward movements with backpasses, including the one that Acosta fumbled and led to the point blank offside, on which he pulled up unmarked on the sideline and chose not to go forward. Acosta, awful with the ball, solid on D. I would praise Arriola for his ultimately pointless hustle and tenacity, but I would just get more of it, so I won't.

    5) Zimmerman is the new Long. Makes all sorts of stops. Gives it right back. MacKenzie takes care of the ball, but completes only short passes, and loses his man, especially the looper. Bello .... not awful but not ready.
     
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  22. Calcio Bambino

    Calcio Bambino Red Card

    Jun 30, 2002
    Thibodaux, LA
    #922 Calcio Bambino, Oct 12, 2021
    Last edited: Oct 12, 2021
    It is not wrong at all. It is the complete truth. Mussolini was a top member of Italy’s Socialist party.

    He also was a lifelong writer and then editor for Italy’s socialist newspaper, Avanti. Contempt for the truth ( Hegelian thinking ) does not change the facts of truth. There is no way you can make the claim that Mussolini was a lifelong member of the Socialist party before splitting from the party to start the Fascist party because he differed from them about Italy’s involvement in the First World War.

    The facts also are all forms of Marxism are the same, antifreedom crap, that does not work and is formulated on unfounded concepts from an invalid hypothesis on economics and historical history. Nothing that comes from the Marxist side is valid. They are all nothing more than tyrannical attempts to steal other people’s property.
     
  23. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    thats doesn't tell the whole story though. like 10 minutes in musah has a turnover and it appears to be his fault because all he did was kind of turn around and then back around and the cb stepped up and caused the turnover. what you really should see is him look at arriola and zardes who literally stand there and just stare back at him they literally do not move at all. He then turns to weah who for some reason goes to the otherside of the right back so musah can't get the ball to him. this kind of garbage from those three up front happened more then once and led to a couple of turnovers and made musah play backpasses to avoid turnovers.
     
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  24. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    Like the play highlighted by the Total Soccer Show guy, where Musah passes to Lletget at midfield, makes the run forward for the give and go to spring the attack, and ........ wait for it ........ you'll never guess what happened ..... Lletget does a one-touch backpass to MacKenzie.
     
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  25. Anto'nio

    Anto'nio Red Card

    Atlanta United
    Sep 11, 2017
    A beautiful argument. It is as if GGG's special talent for reasoned interviews has been translated, in near perfection, to our happy little thread. Orcrist, I salute you.
     

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