PBP: United States @ England; 11/15; 3:00 ET

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by AutoPenalti, Nov 15, 2018.

  1. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    It's a bit of a mystery to me how players like Wood, Yedlin and Brooks get consistent playtime in top leagues.
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  2. FijiUnited

    FijiUnited Member+

    Feb 21, 2007
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are we even looking for a new coach?
  3. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    Nov 4, 2011
    Arsenal FC
    The coach told him not to get involved because he is there to defend. Pulisic same. Sarachan thinks Pulisic and Weah are defenders.
  4. Runhard

    Runhard Member

    United States
    Jul 5, 2018
    Everyone just relax. Berhalter is going to save the day, it will be fine.

    Another 4 to 5 years of mediocrity and fighting tooth and nail to get into the WC from an easy region.

    It's all coming together nicely. :)
  5. MiamiNative0722

    MiamiNative0722 Member+

    May 25, 2013
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We play Italy on Tuesday.

    If they don't hire a coach by the following Monday, I seriously hope the soccer media blows a gasket on the federation.
  6. TOAzer

    TOAzer Member+

    The Man With No Club
    May 29, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Our USSF leaders make McLellan look like a general of Napoleonic dynamism. They will aimlessly march our team up and down the parade ground and right into extinction.
  7. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT

    (1) Many of our players embarrassed themselves out there today. Including Pulisic, at times

    (2) This team is playing so bad that I would gladly take Bob Bradley as coach, any day of the week. And that's not a good thing.
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  8. taylor

    taylor Member+

    Jun 9, 2000
    Fav team: FC CARL ZEISS JENA
    Nat'l Team:
    Hey how do you know where I am?
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  9. AutoPenalti

    AutoPenalti Am I famous yet?

    Sep 26, 2011
    Coconut Creek
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    wE mUsT wAiT PaTiEnTlY!!1 iT's PaRt oF tHe PrOcEsS!11!

    Honestly, at some point this going to affect us financially. What an embarassment this federation has become, what idiot decides that it's a great idea to wait more than a year to appoint a GM and then wait even a year more to appoint a head coach? FFS when does it end with these nuggets?
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  10. bostonsoccermdl

    bostonsoccermdl Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 3, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Pulisic has no help. He is not Maradona or Messi. He alone cant carry this team of useful idiots. The only support he did get was for the good 'ol passback!!
  11. bostonsoccermdl

    bostonsoccermdl Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 3, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Auto, you stole my Avatar! (/shakes fist) =P
  12. Method

    Method Member

    United States
    Aug 20, 2018
    and s*it, he almost made a single handed goal running through like 6 england players by himself lol
  13. Peretz48

    Peretz48 Member+

    Nov 9, 2003
    Los Angeles
    Better yet, let''s show up with paper bags on our heads, festooned over course with stars and stripes.
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  14. AutoPenalti

    AutoPenalti Am I famous yet?

    Sep 26, 2011
    Coconut Creek
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can't pass up the opportunity for this legend to go on air with Joe Rogan and do this sort of thing. What a time to be alive. ;)
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  15. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    They'll be fine, given the right coaching, and availability and health. I am worried that the coach may continue with the MLS lifer try hard drivel we keep insisting we can play in the middle of the midfield against the likes of two top 10 in the world squads like Colombia and England. That is a problem. I can deal with the ups and downs if there is a clear plan and the right individuals are in charge. I believe in Stewart's talent, I'm not sure about ANYONE else in the fed, and am deeply weary of the potential hire. I can't believe we've waited 13 months and could end up with someone we could've hired before Halloween 2017 w/o a seconds thought. That will be inexcusable.
  16. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    #441 juvechelsea, Nov 15, 2018
    Last edited: Nov 15, 2018
    This is not a schedule for a rebuilding team doing talent evaluation coached by an interim placeholder. This is a schedule for a drilled team of veterans who play a system with a great coach.

    You do not become good by "playing Brazil." That is a fallacy. Otherwise everyone Brazil so to speak played would immediately levitate. You improve by putting in the hard work against more reasonable opposition, you learn how to play the game and finish a result, and when you have some results I schedule Brazil as a test. This is test after test after test for 6 months by a team that's doing self study and needs a teacher. And where a chunk of the team over time is not ready, may not ever be, and will disappear over time.

    People need to quit treating this like some legacy team fresh off the world cup and ready for Brazil, and start treating it like a team that missed the world cup, got leveled on age and quality basis, and is basically trying to rebuild itself from the ground up. The Astros after they traded everyone in the early 20-teens. It is going to be a longer process and we're going to need a system to compete, and a few iterations of new players coming in. You can go ahead and schedule the Red Sox now and embarrass yourself, and learn jack squat since we have no good coach, or you can tune this to the level that the team is actually performing at, and try and build a system, find players, get results, without getting crushed walking out.

    I think y'all have it hopelessly backwards. My club team won a couple state titles in HS. Until we got there and even after, basically anyone was expendable. After years of ruthless upgrades we got there. Only then did we play big tournaments where you run up against national level teams. Until then what is the freaking point at all. You build the team first and then challenge the built up project with tests. You don't test a team we have implemented no system on and are still running out talent V.1 after the implosion. Why? Like I said, basically boils down to the "playing Brazil makes you better" fallacy, except Brazil tends to win them and if you look at their schedule it's actually littered with several sacrificial lambs (eg, El Salvador, Saudi Arabia), who probably also had your illusions.

    People need to come off of thinking like they are fans of a top 16 team that should regularly play other teams that level, and think like they are 5th in CONCACAF and then got rid of old players, and drill and schedule accordingly.

    Also worth pointing out that just getting your head kicked in repeatedly with no soft games leaves me wondering where any learning is to get displayed. I get one of these. I don't get not teaching your kid to swim, throwing him in the deep end, fishing him out of the pool like a lifeguard, toss him back in the deep end, fish out, toss in. Give your kid some lessons and maybe try the kiddie pool while they learn to swim. Once you've done your freaking job then take them back to the deep end. You don't enhance your swimming knowledge by trying not to drown in the 8 foot deep end of the pool when you barely understand swimming. Here's a swimming lesson. We'll play El Salvador. Ok, you could handle that. Here's some more lessons. Peru. OK, you beat them, now Brazil. Not, I want to have a kid that beats Brazil. Here, 5 year old kindergartener, I have scheduled Brazil NT next week. You have to play the best to be the best. Show me something.
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  17. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Let me say a giant ******** you to Earnie Stewart.
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  18. wersdtyuhjioo

    wersdtyuhjioo New Member

    Nov 15, 2018
    I thought i would read a forum for usa fans while watching the match just to get an insight into how americans see football. Some of the comments on here are pretty laughable bordering on truely idiotic. You were playing a defensive style due to the fact you are a poor international team, if you had played more attacking or aggressively as someone stated it wouldn't have been 3-0, it would have been 6 or 7. Sometimes you just have to admit you are not very good and were beaten by a better team, remember that wasn't even England's first 11. Pulisic looks a player and a decent prospect for yourselves for the future but lets be honest here, everyone else is pretty average and would wtruggle to get into a league 2 team in England, thats the 4th division by the way. i like watching the MLS in England but again the quality is poor and your structure is setup to fail. Drafts, playoffs, ludicrous wage cap and of course geography will always be your downfall unfortunately. Trying to setup a football league in the same way as the NFL is never gonna work, hence the reason no one else does it. I digress, you played a spirited game, hard work and graft but with very little quality hence the passing back all the time as no one to pass forward to, it all works hand in hand. Not meant to be anything aggressive or negative just my observations from a cousin across the pond.
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  19. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's what we've been trying to make the morons who run soccer in this country understand. If it were up to the fanbase, it would have already been done.
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  20. bpet15

    bpet15 Member

    Oct 4, 2016
    If anyone thought we are even close to a squad like England, they have been fooling themselves.

    How can we expect young kids that are just getting started with European careers to compete with English players playing at some of the biggest clubs in the world. Let’s be honest - being a Schalke, Dortmund or Wolfsburg player is no comparison to playing for United, Spurs, City or any other top 10 English club.

    Give our kids some time, they will get better. That being said, it’s an absolute embarrassing situation our Federation has put these players in. No system, no tactics, no having to prove yourself to the manager.

    Losses like this fall on the Federations shoulders just as much as the players.

    Figure it out USSF, you’re making a mockery of being a full international.
  21. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Red Card

    Jul 11, 2006
    So many things bother me about this match, but I also wonder which match some people are watching. Are you just looking at highlights? Do you focus on one moment, two? Do you watch players on and off the ball? do you count touches, passes, balls won?

    Do you watch how players interact?

    I will say that any good soccer player is lost in whatever it is the US doing. Trap cannot defend. He is a remnant of whatever Bob Bradley and later Arena were trying to do with Michael Bradley. Look, it failed. Why continue? We can't build or pass out of the 6 like a real team. Especially not with a 6 who can't defend. Defense first in that position, pass later.

    Weston either needs to learn how to make attacking passes, find space for himself or just anoint himself the #6 like Bradley did.

    Adams for me fills gaps at this point, he doesn't build through passing.

    Weah is fast! and plays dumb.

    Wood bless his mahalo heart, he's lost so much confidence, but he's battling out there.

    Yedlin basically said 'f*ck' this and takes his $15k per call up or whatever. He is demonstrably better for club. That means he's not happy or motivated.

    Miazga and Brooks. Man, what can you say? Good, bad, irrelevant?

    Green can be useful, but not without a midfield. CP is a man paddling a raft with a spoon at this point.

    There is just so much disaster. This is 20 years of mounting disaster. This kind of tormented soccer takes so many people doing their jobs poorly it makes you wonder WTF people are doing? I couldn't make a soccer team this bad IF I TRIED!
  22. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Red Card

    Jul 11, 2006
    Hey jerk off, that was an attacking US linup! the defensive syle was more our personality than the intent. Thanks for playing.

    The rest you have exactly right, but go hang yourself anyway, you aren't allowed to say it. Only we are.
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  23. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT

    I will tell you when it ends.

    It ends when:

    1 - Fans stopping showing up at the gates

    2 - Fans stopping buying USMNT merchandises

    3 - Top players refusing call ups

    Otherwise, it's business as usual.
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  24. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This guy gets it.

    Now we have to get US players to start refusing call ups, including and especially, Pulisic.
  25. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    May 4, 2002
    There was a Dilbert cartoon some years ago where the office had a soccer team. Dilbert was told to stand in front of the goal and the others would bounce the ball off his head and into the goal. Maybe that explains Wood's playing time a bit.

    I don't know about the others.

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