Union Power in current times.

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by DoyleG, May 8, 2004.

  1. DoyleG

    DoyleG Member+

    CanPL
    Canada
    Jan 11, 2002
    YEG-->YYJ-->YWG-->YYB
    Club:
    FC Edmonton
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Stronger?
    Weaker?
    Has stayed the same?

    Discuss.
     
  2. Blitzz Boy

    Blitzz Boy Member

    Apr 4, 2002
    The West Side
    The International Longshore Workers' Union and its East Coast Beta Counterpart the ILA are quiet for now.

    But if that changes the next time their contract is up, your local Walmart will be empty.

    Union Pacific Railroad brags on their website about how many people they are hiring and I think most of them are in unions.
     
  3. oman

    oman Member

    Jan 7, 2000
    South of Frisconsin
    Weaker. It is very easy for companies to resist union campaigns. The law is skewed and enforced against unions.

    There is little of substantial value that unions can offer non-unionized employees. It of course depends on the industry. I know in the computer services industry I am in that unions have simply not been able to get in the door, even in the most problematic work locations.
     
  4. lurking

    lurking Member+

    Feb 9, 2002
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, there is a big difference between unions of private employees, and government employees. The latter are much more powerful than the former.
     
  5. DoyleG

    DoyleG Member+

    CanPL
    Canada
    Jan 11, 2002
    YEG-->YYJ-->YWG-->YYB
    Club:
    FC Edmonton
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    The latter is getting whacked around as badly as the former is.
     
  6. skipshady

    skipshady New Member

    Apr 26, 2001
    Orchard St, NYC
    Where unions are strong, they are probably too powerful for their own good. But in industries that could benefit from organized labor, they aren't powerful enough, if not invisible.

    So weaker? Yes. Stronger? Also yes.
     
  7. MLSNHTOWN

    MLSNHTOWN Member+

    Oct 27, 1999
    Houston, TX
    The law has been somewhat cyclical in labor relations, and I imagine that it will favor unions again (even if one thinks it favors employers now) in the future. Regardless, it is very easy for companies to resist union campaigns because unions aren't very marketable/sellable. I mean who wants to provide a portion of their income to a third party? The question really boils down to whether or not my life as a worker would be improved with a union. With several unions being run pathetically, union fat cats, pension systems that break down, etc., it is hard to convince a worker in an election that a union will benefit them, especially with so many crappy arbitrations that unions go after because the employee who was justifiably terminated feels wronged. Throw in the fact that in some instances unions and their inflexibility with wages (coupled with the mismanagement of the company itself) has resulted in several plant shutdowns, etc. Add in the instances where an employer actually treats its employees fairly well, and you have unions losing ground left and right.

    So the answer is unions are losing power substantially. They are a shell of their former selves and have lost the right to tax its members to support democratic causes, thus inhibiting its political power.

    That being said, in my estimation, I think you are seeing a lot of the "surplus"/fat being cut out from unions and they are becoming a stronger, more efficient, less corrupt group. (those that aren't efficient, are corrupt, etc. eventually aren't sucessful). I think that if we really suffer a bad patch economically, you could see a return to union power. But until then, union power has declined dramatically.
     
  8. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Megabump....

    Amazon workers on Staten Island vote to unionize

    Warehouse workers at a facility in New York City have voted to form the first US union in the tech giant's 27-year history, marking a stunning victory for a bootstrapped effort led by a fired employee.

    In a closely watched election, workers at a Staten Island, New York, facility known as JFK8 voted in favor of forming a union with a newly-established organization called Amazon Labor Union (ALU), which was started by current and former warehouse employees.


    https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/01/tech/amazon-union-election-staten-island/index.html
     
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  9. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Even more remarkably, they did it with an independent union.
     
  10. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Amazon spent over $4M fighting it
     
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  11. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    2 union wins in NYC today

     
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  12. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Well, that's going to raise the price of Prime.
     
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  13. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    I think Amazon had about 5000 votes cast in NYC. They could have just given all those who could vote $750. It may have done more to sway them.
     
  14. ElNaranja

    ElNaranja Member+

    Houston Dynamo
    United States
    Jul 16, 2017
    What are the odds Amazon just packs up shop and leaves?
     
  15. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As a rational business move? Zero.

    As a tantrum? Not zero.
     
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