Ukraines goal that should have stood { offside pass }

This incident is an embarrassment to Platini's dictatorship. Like Jessie Owen's defeat of the Nazis was for Hitler. (Not that Platini is a nazi )

Darth Platini must tell the emperor Darth Blatter that goal line technology must be implemented and the new officials are useless.

This was the perfect incident to happen.

 

I am fine with the outcome as English fans are an essential ingredient to the athmosphere of a competition. The longer they stay the better.
But the moment this incident happened I knew right away that the next day some people would claim that it was offside.

How unexpected.

 

I've seen a few people say this - but haven't heard an explanation. Please explain.

I'll tell you what I see.

1) Defender makes a long pass... as the moment he kicks it, both UKR attackers have at least one ENG defender (A) between them and the ENG goal.

2) The UKR attacker (1) gathers the pass, spins and passes it toward the middle to the 2nd UKR attacker (2). At the moment (1) kicks the ball, the right foot of the ENG defender (A) covering him is the deepest thing (closest to ENG goal) on the field, as evident by both a naked eye look... and comparing the positions of the players and the lines on the field.

(2) is ahead of the 2nd ENG defender (B), but that shouldn't matter... should it?

3) (2) then gathers the ball... dribbles... shoots... the rest is history.

Recognizing that there might be a rule I don't understand - that's what I see... can someone fill me in on the offsides talk?

 

That's not true.



Clearly offside.

There are also a few daft claims that the ball was 50 cm over the line. 50mm perhaps, but certainly not 50 cm.

 

Ah! The replay angle I was looking at you could not see the UKR attacker, who received the ball, until the kicked ball was a bit farther down the field.

So... no matter what happens... if you are offside when a pass is made, you cannot be the first person to touch the ball - even if you run back onside before touching it?

 

Yes, spot on.

 

Actually, the statement is partially true because the furthest upfield UKR attacker did only have one defender between them and the goal - the goalie (the other attacker (near midline) actually had 3 defenders between him and the goal, the two field defenders and the goalie.) But I am just being a smartass, as you need two not to be offside, and clearly there was offside on the play. Funny how this entire player was just a complete clusterf*ck for the refs.

 

Why wouldn't people point out the original offside if it was indeed the case?

 

Noone noted that someone was offside for Ghana (I believe it was Appiah) in the buildup to the Suarez handball.

 

Then the Suarez handball was irrelevant due to the original infraction immediately prior to the incident, same as this case.

I just don't get it - this issue is nothing more than a discussion point showing how even the introduction of AAR's doesn't guarantee a correct call on whether a ball crosses the line or not. In terms of the game itself the glaring missed offside call renders the controversy null and void

 

Think you are confusing them with the Irish. The English are traveling in small numbers this time.

 

That's my point, but everyone called for Suarez's head even though the wrong call was before.

 

An English team win a tournment on penalty's and all of a sudden penalty's are not a good way to decide a game. Goal line technology is now needed after it went for us! Sepp Blatter a joke. Really riles me. Thing is, if the goal had been given we'd have been up in arms about that too as the player was a yard offside when the initial ball was played. Blatter has conveniently missed that.

 

For guys who complain about other teams' diving and playing to the refs, you sure have a victim complex Good luck Sunday. Don't wanna hear you complaining about simulation Monday.

 

Haha, it comes with being an English football fan i suppose
But no 1 can deny that over the years England have been very unlucky with refereeing decisions!!

 

1. Beckham's red card in 1998 was a yellow, not a red. But he did kick out. +1 to your argument.
2. Euro 2000, the penalty versus Rumania was clear. Don't remember much else that was disputable.
3. 2002, England got very lucky with that red card to Ronaldinho. But still lost. Back to even.
4. 2004, I can't remember anything too contentious in the Portugal match. Nor in the France match in the group stage.
5. 2006. I know everyone said Rooney did it by accident. But I'm not sold. And so I would agree with the ref. Noone would really know, but I gotta say judgment call. Don't step on a dude's balls. No points awarded.
6. 2008: Can't remember anything bad in the qualifiers.
7. 2010: Obvious....

So I'm gonna say your argument is +1, which hardly would be a continuing pattern. Try being a Canada fan

 

2004 against Portugal Sol Cambell had a perfectly good goal ruled out. Owen was clean through on goal when he was a yard onside and the ref gave offside.
Against France they were awarded a very soft free kick which Zidane scored to equalise from.
2006 against Portugal, Jamie Carragher scored his penalty but the ref ruled it out because the keeper came off his line, which all keepers do on penalties, the retaken penalty was saved.

My parents would be able to tell you numerous other bad decisions that have cost England that i can't remember or that happened before my time :/

 

Well it was? It was offside, would you not mention it if it was the krauts like?

 

1998 Sol Campbell had a good goal against Argentina to make it 3-2 ruled out as well.

 

Don't bullshit us! The goalkeeper was on his line, the ref ruled it out because he still hadn't whistled.

Watch it at 6'13''.


-offtopic-

Am I the only one fed up with that absurd rivalry between the portuguese and italians in Canada? No other portuguese or italian cares about it, it's pointless and unwarranted!

 

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