Ukraine vs Russia IV - The Betrayal

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  1. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
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    Anyone with a subscription to WSJ, enjoy. I do not but this sounds like a good story, basically perfect for a movie.

     
  2. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
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    Seattle Sounders
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    United States
    Just days after Russia claimed they had captured Kupyansk, Ukraine is now claiming that they have rolled back the entire salient, have cut-off several hundred Russians in Kupyansk, and liberated several villages that were near Kupyansk.

    https://bsky.app/profile/noelreports.com/post/3m7rvany2bc2w

    A number of pro-Ukrainian accounts are pointing out that this operation was planned by Major General Drapatyi and not Commander in Chief Syrskyi.

    https://bsky.app/profile/noelreports.com/post/3m7sx2oocqk2w

    There have been a number of criticisms of Syrskyi's top-down command style and blame him for a lot of the territory losses since he was appointed to CiC at the start of 2024. The claim is that Syrskyi refuses to listen to local commanders and is afraid to press Zelenskyy to make changes to Ukraine's recruitment incentives/conscription to address their manpower issues and that, as a result, Ukraine is too dependent upon drones to stop the Russian infilitration units rather than using the more effective soldiers in trenches.
     
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  3. Uhm, no.
    I didnot.
     
  4. Belgian guy

    Belgian guy Member+

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    So Russia attacked a Turkish ship sailing under a Panamanian flag in the port of Odessa.
     
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  5. The EU member states have agreed to the proposal to freeze Russian financial assets in the union indefinitely.
    Until now, a new decision had to be taken unanimously every six months. On the proposal of the European Commission, an emergency power has been used, for which a qualified majority is sufficient. This circumvents a possible veto by Hungary or other Putin-friendly member states.

    Can we use it too to kick out Hugary etc.?
     
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  6. By qualified majority, about fifteen of the 27 member states must agree.
    The member states had until Friday 17:00 to respond to the proposal on billions blocked in the EU due to the war in Ukraine.
    Belgium, Bulgaria, Italy and Malta have agreed, they said in a joint statement, Reuters reports.
    They immediately note that they are not anticipating a decision on the use of Russian assets for a loan to Ukraine. A decision on this will be taken at the EU summit next week. It is uncertain whether there is sufficient support.
     
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  7. Belgian guy

    Belgian guy Member+

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    Peak trolling by Volodia Z.
     
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  8. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
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    I think watching Top Gun will help you understand Americans.

    Unfortunately.
     
  9. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
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    Funny, the first time I saw Top Gun I felt, this is so uniquely American. Same with An Officer and a Gentleman.

    The one movie about the armed forces from that time that got to me, and that I found more disturbing and relevant in depicting military culture and its dangers, was Taps.

    That one, with a few very minor changes, I thought could have just as easily been set at a military school in Argentina.
     
  10. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
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    Oil targets hit by Ukraine recently:

    Afipsky refinery
    Uryupinsk oil depot in Volgograd oblast
    fuel train in Crimea with multiple tanker cars on fire

    The last is important because Ukraine has been systematically attacking the one port that can take oil in Crimea and all the oil infrastructure in the area, not to mention the Russian ports the oil originates from.
     
  11. goliath74

    goliath74 Member+

    May 24, 2006
    Hollywood, FL, United States
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    What is "climate/fanaticism"?
     
  12. Smurfquake

    Smurfquake Moderator

    Aug 8, 2000
    San Carlos, CA
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    I believe the description was "economic suicide / climate fanaticism", as in, this guy - without looking him up, I'm assuming he's a US Republican based on what he said - thinks that adjusting policies to take climate change into effect is bad for the economy. I was hearing something similar from a guy (Republican) who is running for governor of California - they seem to think that anything that limits fossil fuel production and consumption is bad.
     
  13. It's everything to diminish/abandon/abolish the use of fossil fuels and the promotion of pollutionfree energy like windmills/solarpanels etc.
     
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  14. goliath74

    goliath74 Member+

    May 24, 2006
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    I figured as much. I am of the mind that economy is not a reasonable counter argument to stop protecting our environmental and climatic future.
     
  15. goliath74

    goliath74 Member+

    May 24, 2006
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    Apparently, in a historic first, a couple of Ukrainian unmanned submarine drones (Sub Sea Baby) struck a Russian submarine "Varshavyanka" (class 636.3). According to SBU, the submarine has suffered significant damage and has been put out of action.
     
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  16. goliath74

    goliath74 Member+

    May 24, 2006
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    Z-media and Z-propaganda are engaged in a collective freak-out about this. Not only have Ukrainians recaptured most of Kupyansk and surrounded Russian forces there, they also deemed it safe enough to bring Zelensky to the SW edge of the town for this video.

    Trolling to the highest degree.
     
  17. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
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    I've seen video and it is incredible. They snuck drones into the deepest part of the Novorossiysk port, one that is supposed to be super protected against such things. I don't know if any ship in there is safe now.
     
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  18. soccernutter

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    Near the mountains.
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    With a side of gay erotica.
     
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  19. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
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    Despite the US seizing a Venezuelan tanker, the price of oil is still dropping. Brent is now about $60. Every dollar less is a billion less dollars for Russia per month.
     
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  20. ceezmad

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    Submarine goes boom.



    "
    Ukraine’s domestic security service, the SBU, said Monday that it struck a Russian submarine in the Black Sea port of Novorossiysk, causing critical damage to the vessel and effectively disabling it.

    In a statement, the SBU said the operation, which used underwater “Sub Sea Baby” drones, was the first attack of its kind. Video shared by the SBU showed a large explosion at a port.

    “As a result of the explosion, the submarine suffered critical damage and was effectively put out of action,” the SBU said. CNN could not independently verify the claim."

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles...Z6gqSfCpgQQNIN-yUJUOUI7Enf0zi9NBOZccP7cMfJKus
     
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  21. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

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    Never said it wasn't an enjoyable movie.
     
  22. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    Well, they’re right. Laws against dumping industrial waste into rivers also are bad for the economy. Laws requiring access to handicapped people are bad for the economy.
     
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  23. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
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    Seattle Sounders
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    Speaking of which, Russia unintentionally confirmed an attack on a Russian warship in August. Included in a press release it was mentioned that the captain of the warship was replaced because he was killed in an enemy attack on the ship.
     
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  24. The face of a man living on borrowed time, supplied by maga idiots:
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    He knows what happens to totalitarian leaders that lose control.
     
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