Ukraine vs Russia III

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  2. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

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    Aged like milk, this one did
    Gatez for AG, Gabbard as Director of National Intelligence and Hegseth and Sec Def.

    I mean, what the fcuk? Fcuk this but what the fcuking fcuk?
     
  3. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

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    Hmm…not sure I agree with you here. Struggling to understand why Putin wouldn’t accept this.

    it’s the most he will ever be able to achieve by force…even without US support of Ukraine. By agreeing to a trump plan that he knows neither the Ukrainians nor the French and germans will ever agree to…he accelerates the eventual schism between the Us and Western Europe. And on the off chance they and the Ukrainians agree to it…see point one.
     
  4. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

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    Yes, because nations can't join NATO while there is conflict within their borders. It's part of the reason Russia took bits of Georgia and Moldova. Also note how Russia escalated every time Ukraine seemed to be getting the upper hand in the "civil war" - they had no intention of getting kicked out of there.
     
  5. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

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    #10455 spejic, Nov 13, 2024
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    Russia has a massive war film industry. Like in the United States, examples of obsolete weapon systems are in private hands and are used as movie props. Just on a larger scale.

    But unlike the United States, the Russian government (in fact, Putin himself) asked Mosfilm for the equipment back because they need it. Twenty eight T-55 tanks and six PT-76 (hopelessly obsolete but some in-use vehicles are based on the same chassis) are moving from the movie lots to the front.

    https://www.moscowtimes.ru/2024/11/...ne-nachala-voevat-natehnike-smosfilma-a147597

    This is a pretty desperate move. The war movie industry is a cornerstone of Russian propaganda to their own people. I guess everyone is just going to have to accept cheap computer effects.
     
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    Autumn for Poland and France.
     
  7. American Brummie

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    The war in Ukraine is the only thing standing between Vladimir Putin and death. He has completely retooled the Russian economy to be about war production, sacrificing civilian-economy growth to churn out 40 shitty tanks and aircraft a month. Converting this wartime economy back to a civilian one is going to be impossible in the short term and difficult in the medium term, even if things in Russia were going well. Further, when the war ends, there will be a need for the two million people he's killed (between COVID and the war) to plug gaps in the workforce and produce the next generation of Russians.

    There's no way he ends this war voluntarily. The Russian elite would rather lose 2,000 men a day, each day, for a decade, in meat grinder attacks to assault tiny villages, than end the war and have to do the actual work of rebuilding their collapsing society.
     
  8. rslfanboy

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    It is so dire. It is so depressing how empowering just a few terrible assholes can wreak so much havoc.

    I will now excuse myself back to the gloom and despair thread.
     
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  9. American Brummie

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    Any society can stop this from happening. Americans can protest at the first major stupid thing Trump does and force him out of office. Current consensus in academia is you need approximately 3-5 percent of society actively protesting in the streets, continuously for several days/weeks, to force any government out of power.

    Russians want to be treated this way. So who are we to stop them?
     
  10. song219

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  11. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

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    The Russian offensive on the Kursk salient is heavy and continuous, but results are poor. There have been 88 confirmed by video armor loses since it started on the 5th and in that time they've only recaptured two tiny farm towns. I'm sure Putin desperately wants this area back before it becomes a bargaining chip in the Trump era.

    Because of the nature of the area and the disposition of the front, Ukrainian tanks (of every Western type) are being heavily used in exactly the kind of combat they were designed for and are responsible for a large share of Russian losses.
     
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  12. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

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    #10462 spejic, Nov 14, 2024
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    This is a picture of multiple North Korean M1989 'Koksan' 170 mm self-propelled guns on a train. The picture was taken in Krasnoyarsk, Russia.

    North Korean M1989 'Koksan' 170 mm self-propelled gun s.jpg

    North Korea must be getting something really good from Russia. They are moving all in.
     
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  13. goliath74

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    Not true, despite those area being industrial, they took in more federal money than they produced. Coal was being heavily subsidized by Ukrainian government.

    Ukrainian viability these days is agriculture that is mostly concentrated in Northern, central, and Western part of Ukraine.
     
  14. Mmm, just scan each one from every angle and with AI you don't need them on the set anymore.
     
  15. diablodelsol

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    Link?
     
  16. The Jitty Slitter

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    Bill Kristol has been throwing buckets of water over the peace plan talk.

    It'a amazing to me how easily the pundit class has been taken in by the idea that Trump can actually deliver peace.

    Point 1, Trump is usually incompetent in everything he does. Point 2, Trump always gets played in foreign relations. Point 3, why on earth does Putin want peace exactly?

    If the MAGA establishment follows through on its threats to betray Ukraine, Putin will fancy his chances to roll into Kiev next year. So why would he agree a peace deal exactly?

    I think Kristol is correct. The only way Trump delivers a "peace deal" is if Putin actually does need one.
     
  17. Yoshou

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    One Ukrainian Leopard tank vs a Russian column means many dead Russians and an unscathed Leopard.



    BTW, I deleted my Twitter account and moved to Bluesky, so going forward most of my posts going forward will likely use Bluesky unless I'm pulling the links off of other posts. Like the above is from Quaoar on DailyKos who, IMHO, is one of the better aggregators out there.
     
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  18. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

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    The EU Parliament passed a resolution demanding sanctions be applied to Russia's large shadow fleet of oil tankers. It is estimated that this shadow fleet transports about 62% of Russia's oil exports and allows them to get around the $60 cap the G7 applied to Russian oil sales at the start of the war.

    https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/11...nds-crackdown-on-russias-shadow-tanker-fleet/

    Most of this fleet is owned by Greek shipping companies, so if there were sanctions, it could have a serious impact on Greece's economy.
     
  19. Yoshou

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    Russia has started adding drone cages to their quadcopter recon drones.

    https://bsky.app/profile/wartranslated.bsky.social/post/3laylbzd4pk2n

     
  20. Yoshou

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    A Russian has found thousands of Russian MIAs.. In a massive grave in the Donetsk region. As a reminder, Russia's MOD has a firm "no body, no payout" for KIAs.

    https://bsky.app/profile/wartranslated.bsky.social/post/3layek63b6k24

    Speaking of which.. The story of a wounded Russian soldier about what it is like when you are wounded during an attempted advance.

    https://bsky.app/profile/wartranslated.bsky.social/post/3laviyvwrks24

     
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  21. The Jitty Slitter

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    damn.
     
  22. spejic

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    #10472 spejic, Nov 15, 2024
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    It used to be, but Russia bought them outright. One of the main reasons Russia's oil delivery is highly variable is the unreliability of these past-the-end-of-their-commercial-lives ships.
     
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  23. Yoshou

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    More civil unrest in Georgia, this time in the breakaway region of Abhkazia. The self-proclaimed President of the region pushed through an investment law that favored Russian investors. This angered the locals and they have apparently forced the “president” to flee to a Russian base.

    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/11/15/europe/protesters-abkhazia-georgia-russia-parliament-intl

    Even if the protestors succeed in their demand the “president” resign, don’t expect them to turn away from Russia. The opposition is still very much pro-Russian and the protestors have made a point to separate themselves from anti-Russians
     
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  24. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

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    There's something serious going on with Russian rail right now. Two large container terminals serving Moscow are totally full and are refusing new shipments for 10 days. Rails shipments now often take a month, sometimes even two to get to their destinations. There is an ever increasing problem with lack of locomotives and especially crews. Another problem is that containers come in but nothing Russia sells to other nations (that is, food and raw materials) need them so they pile up.

    https://www.moscowtimes.ru/2024/11/...pneishii-terminal-moskovskogo-regiona-a147862
     
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  25. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

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    After two months of saving up their missiles, Russia launched a massive attack on Ukraine last night, sending 120 missiles and 90 drones of all kinds, mostly aimed at Ukraine's power infrastructure.
     
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