Ukraine vs Russia III

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  1. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
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    Your addition of the second paragraph doesn't change the first paragraph making you an Islamophobe. ;)
     
  2. Potowmack

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    Probably a little of both.
     
  3. superdave

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    I’ll do that as soon as you explain why Sharia law is scary but Leviticus isn’t.
     
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  4. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    Moving past our local racists being allowed to spew hate on a public forum...

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ncursion-months-in-advance-seized-papers-show

    Something I'm not sure that ISW or annieli at DailyKos are picking up on are suicide rates in the Russian army. Even 5-10 a day across the front has to be destabilizing and demoralizing, as well as shredding the ability of commanders to field combat-effective units.
     
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  5. usscouse

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  6. Dage

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    It's a PC game.
     
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  7. russ

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    Sounds like Communism to me!
    -Brad Thomas "Mad Dog" Winslow,
    Christian Life Coordinator and Civics Teacher,
    Nathan Bedford Forrest Christian Academy and part time independent blogger.
     
  8. Paul Berry

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    The EU is free market capitalism until it comes to farming.
     
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  9. russ

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    Everywhere is free market capitalism until it comes to farming.
     
  10. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

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    Ah, makes more sense.
     
  11. deejay

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    Denmark specifically does not really share in the colonial guilt that the major countries of Europe have. Greenland, interestingly, was settled by Scandinavians 300+ years before the Thule ever arrived.
     
  12. deejay

    deejay Member+

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    I think it's because it's very zig-zaggy section of the Seym River.
     
  13. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

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    They didn't get rid of their last colony until 1917. They've forgotten their colonial past because it ended a generation before it began to end in the rest of Europe.
     
  14. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

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    Denmark had a number of small colonies across the globe. They didn't take the approach of countries like England, Spain, and France and have large territorial colonies, but they did colonize cities and small islands. As an example, the Caribbean islands of St. Thomas, St. John, and St. Croix were all Danish colonies until they were purchased by the US in 1917.
     
  15. deejay

    deejay Member+

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    Let's dig in a little more. The kingdom of Denmark and Norway (plus Iceland) did get involved in extra-European colonialism but it was much later than others and always much smaller enterprises and they were out of it much earlier. Other similar sized Western countries like say Portugal or Netherlands were much bigger.

    Now, within Europe the Danes were some of the greatest and most brutal colonizers in history.
     
  16. deejay

    deejay Member+

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    In any case, Denmark is the most well regarded European state in the third world. Two factors for this. First, virtually no colonial imprint in our memory. Second, an outsized level of assistance to third world countries for their size. In Bolivia, at one point in the early 2000s they were the country providing more assistance than anyone else including the US, Germany or Japan. They've since moved out to other countries.
     
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  17. The Jitty Slitter

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    Again it's all very well for the Danes to have their feelz, same as the italians or the english or the greeks, or the denizens of some small east german town

    The problem is the reality of millions of people on the move, and what to do when they turn up in southern europe. As we've seen, large numbers of them ended up in the UK, even though the UK made it a top priority not to allow this due to ethno-nationalist concerns

    So yeah - please regale me with practical policy solutions and not "but the Danes are special"
     
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  18. Potowmack

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    A country like Denmark doesn't have any obligation to deal with, say, Germany's or Italy's migrant problem. Any more than the US's illegal immigrant situation is Germany's or Canada's problem.

    It's been my experience dealing with Germans in business that they seem to have some cultural inability to comprehend that other people will disagree with them. They truly seem to believe that if they restate the German position enough times, other people will come around to their point of view.
     
  19. deejay

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    I'm just giving you the third world perspective. If Spain or Portugal don't let us migrate we kick up a huge fuss. If Denmark or Switzerland don't we understand it's their country. Italy and Ireland is different because those guys show up everywhere as migrants.
     
  20. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

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    As has been pointed out several times. Your example of the US's migrant situation is complete bunk because.... Denmark is a member of the EU. Germany and Italy's migrant "problem" is not just a German and Italian issue, it is an EU issue. As a member of the EU, it is, in fact, Denmark's problem as well. They don't get to be a member of the EU only on the positive issues, they are also a member for every other issue.
     
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  21. deejay

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    Denmark has famously opted out of various EU efforts. Indeed, out of all the things they opted out citizenship was the most important one to the population per multiple polls. That became moot later on but immigration may become a make or break issue for Denmark and EU.
     
  22. The Jitty Slitter

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    again this isn’t true.

    each country retains control over its own immigration and citizenship requirements.

    this was one of the biggest Brexit lies about taking back control.
     
  23. The Jitty Slitter

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    right. the issue is what to do about a regional crisis most felt in countries like Italy and Greece.

    this is of course why Starmer went out to Italy. The goal has to be trying to stop people travelling. once they get to the english channel is too late.
     
  24. Paul Berry

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    Switzerland has a huge immigrant population, 30% first generation, 40% first or second generation.

    One thing I sort of liked there, even though it sounds a bit evil, was voluntary immigration camps for third world immigrants, where they taught them to be Swiss.

    I remember a Sri Lankan SBF employee pushing a drinks trolley through a train and having no problem conversing with passengers in German, French and English.
     
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  25. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    While others have correctly pointed out the facts that rebut your errors, I'm going to take a different tack.

    You honestly, really, truly, madly, deeply, do NOT have to post when you don't know anything about the topic.

    Nobody is making you. There's no requirement or quota or word goal to hit.

    Take ten minutes to do even cursory reading in the future. It'll help. Please consider it.
     

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