Ukraine vs Russia III

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by argentine soccer fan, May 16, 2023.

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    Look at the claim it was moored 500m from the hospital, which is part of the university you see on the map!
    Between the location (the brown dot with a pin in it) of the Ruby and the hospital exceeds easily 1500 meters.
     
  2. Paul Berry

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    That's a lot of ammonium nitrate. In 1947 an explosion with one-tenth that amount killed 581 people in Galveston Bay, TX.
     
  3. Given what I posted about the trustworthyness of the ones making the claims, one can start doubting about the reality of that cargo.
     
  4. Paul Berry

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    You mean you don't trust the people that created the ship's inventory or the The Norwegian Maritime Directorate who inspected the papers?
     
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  5. Did they inspect it and where?
    Ruby can't be in Tromsø and in Kattegat between Denmark and Sweden at the same time.
     
  6. The Irish Rover

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    A coupe of thousand tonnes of ammonium nitrate with no discernable owner stored carelessly for several years in a Beirut port warehouse and accidentally exploding won't drag in outside powers.

    Quite the opposite. Nobody wanted to find out because known meant doing something and nobody wanted to face off with the outside patron of the faction(s) responsible - Hezbollah and by extension Iran but with other factions having a great deal to hide.

    An explosion 10 times bigger on board a Russian vessel in a NATO city and with a fresher paper trail is another matter altogether. Too brazen and too obvious. Action would have to be taken
     
  7. That's weird. I can't find the info I copied for the whereabouts of the Ruby vessel back.
    Now I'm geting info that places the vessel in Norway:confused:
     
  8. The Irish Rover

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  9. https://nltimes.nl/2024/09/05/russia-using-old-asml-machines-make-microchips-weapons-report
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    Russia using old ASML machines to make microchips for weapons: report

    Russia is using old ASML machines to make microchips that are essential for the Russian war industry, Trouw reports based on its own research. Russian companies manage to import spare parts to keep these machines running via intermediaries, mainly in China, the newspaper wrote. The news comes at a difficult moment for ASML, as the United States is pushing hard on more limits to high-tech exports to China.

    Nieuwsuur previously reported that Dutch microchips were showing up in Russian missiles, helicopters, and drones used to attack Ukraine. Trouw discovered one of the ways they got there.
     

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  10. spejic

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    Yes, but it could be a threat, showing a kind of first step Russia could take if Europe goes too far.

    Or it could just be a Russian captain running his ship into rocks because he's too drunk to do his job. That is very believable.
     
  11. Paul Berry

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    It's not a Russian ship. The captain could be from anywhere. Drunk but from anywhere.
     
  12. deejay

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    Ukraine is pushing drone technology to it's max and the world is not ready

     
  13. deejay

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    The last few weeks of seeing the new Ukrainian drones has been like watching the Monitor and the Virginia all over again. The possibilities seem limitless. The tech is accessible.
     
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    Makes me wonder what aspects of modern militaries will go the way of wooden ships...
     
  15. Yoshou

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    None? The issue right now is there is really no counter for drones that is cost effective. Air defenses are designed to counter airplanes, not drones, so it is prohibitively expensive to counter them. IE, it isn't really worth firing a million dollar missile at a drone that costs a few thousand dollars.

    That being said, the US is absolutely dumping money into short range air defenses (SHORAD) and in the next few years you'll likely see an effective counter to them.
     
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  16. bigredfutbol

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    So perhaps certain tactics or organizational practices?

    Just having some fun with the parallel between the rise of ironclads and this 21st century technology.
     
  17. Guess that's why the Norwegians themselves didn't mention it, apart from writer/editor of the Barentsobserver site, who's kind of cry wolf type regarding Russia. Only after he got cited by American networks the Norwegian press started mentioning it.
    The only thing Russian seems to be the cargo and it seems to require a set of circumstances to explode.
     
  18. Umar

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    This is not correct.

    The true cost comparison is not the cost of missile vs value of drone it will take out.

    It’s cost of missile vs value of target that the drone is trying to take out.
     
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  19. Mmm, you just dropped off my list for effectiveness and efficiency evaluators.
     
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  20. The Irish Rover

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    His point was shooting down an individual drones with an individual missile isn't worth it when you can blow up the entire base's inventory with one million-dollar missile
     
  21. The Irish Rover

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    Russian field refuelling depot had a visitor, supposedly a dracarys drone but it's not certain

     
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  22. The Irish Rover

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    Because Ukrainian ingenuity knows no bounds
    [​IMG]
     
  23. spejic

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    It looks like Ukraine has shored up it defenses. Despite Russia pushing in an all out effort, the front at Pokrovsk has been stable for a few days now. Same for Chasiv Yar. Ukraine even gained a bit of New York back.
     
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  24. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

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    Seems like Russia found a use for all those rupees that they got from India that they can't convert to more useful money. According to the Financial Time, leaks from Russia have revealed a series of deals to obtain electronic components for the military from India.

    https://www.kyivpost.com/post/38474
     
  25. NewDadaCoach

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    Hopefully Trump will win and put a stop to the fighting.
    We know that Ukraine ain't winning. So Trump will hopefully fast track the inevitable and help Russia take the eastern part of Ukraine (or make it a new country) so we can stop giving money to them and start paying down our debt.

    I know you all love giving money to Halliburton but they are rich enough already.
    We need to start building shelter for our homeless instead of giving it to Urkaine oligarchs (aka Biden's buddies).

    Then Russia can return the favor. Idk if you recall that idea Trump had to take over Greenland. We need to revisit that. Great idea as Denmark ain't doing jack shit with that nice piece of land. Just think of all the possibilities. Think outside the box! I learned to do that in business school.
     

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