Ukraine vs Russia III

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  1. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
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    New joke:
    Putin wakes up in the middle of the night and becomes aware of a ghostly presence in the room, which he recognizes as the ghost of Joseph Stalin who addresses him: "so, my heir, how are things going? Is Mother Russia building its glory?"
    "Sadly no" Putin answers. "The Nazis are in front of Kursk again and I don't know what to do. I could do with some advice."
    "Isn't it obvious?" says Stalin. "Send our Ukrainian divisions to the front and demand more weapons and ammunitions from the Americas."

     
  2. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Here's something written by a long-time Ukrainian front-line soldier.
     
  3. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
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    Jorge Wilstermann
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    Bolivia
    Ukraine is hitting airfields all over Russia. If Ukraine can achieve air parity or (we can dream) superiority it will be a tremendous success. Meanwhile some analysts point out that the new offensive was mostly because the West did not allow long range missile attacks in to Russian territory.

     
  4. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
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    This was not in my bingo card but here we are. Ukraine deploying British-made robot dogs.

     
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  5. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
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    Very informative interview of exiled Russian analyst and youtuber Konstantin Samoilov
    In a nutshell he says that handing control of the Kursk defense to the FSB is an indicator that Putin is huge political danger.


    Meanwhile military commentators are saying that FSB is not prepared at all to handle Kursk operations given that they are pulling inexperienced units from multiple units and fronts.
     
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  6. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
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    Someone infiltrated a German airbase near Köln and poisoned the water supply.
     
  7. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
    Club:
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    Just a rumor at this point, but a very juicy one.

    The Ukrainian offensive was approaching the town of Lgov, but the Russian 138th Brigade were deployed to defend it. The 138th is now reporting on Telegram that Ukraine has conducted a large-scale helicopter landing behind the lines, bringing a brigade with special forces.
     
  8. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    Birmingham City FC
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    That would mean Ukraine controls two of the main roads directly leading to Kursk and are less than 100km from Kursk city centre...that seems implausible (or at least, the name of the town is wrong).
     
  9. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    if they are really trying to develop a mobile breakout i hope Joe sends whatever he has.

    put 100s of bradley on a ship today please. and a shit tonne of missiles.
     
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  10. The Irish Rover

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    #9010 The Irish Rover, Aug 15, 2024
    Last edited: Aug 15, 2024
    Some Ukrainian lads went for a stroll in Kursk and cams across this poor, abandoned creature in a lane, completely forgotten about by its owners.
    Still, we can be sure the Ukrainians will give it a loving forever home. Some fuel and ammo - I'm sorry, food and water - and he'll be back on his feet in no time


    Sarcasm aside, this isn't the first T-80 to have been captured, completely intact, in this operation and there's also photographic evidence of a captured T-90 M (uparmoured, new fire control system, upgraded engine and transmission, etc.) in operation the distinctive white triangle Ukrainian tactical marking.
    Russia can only produce those in artisanal numbers of a half-dozen per month for $4.5 million each at pre-war prices. With sanctions and inflation, it's probably closer to $5.5 million now, unless they compromise on the fire control system.

    Unit cohesion has never been a Russian strength, but this is astonishingly bad. The Ukrainians wouldn't be able to hold Kursk city - the logistics lines would be too long and too exposed to bombing anyway - but if this is anyway reflective of the overall state of Russian forces, I think they might actually be able to take the damned place.
     
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  11. Brilliant Oranje

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  12. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
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    I'm seeing multiple sources saying that the Russian railway system is showing signs of stress and even collapsing around the Ukrainian border. Leaked audio from Russian Railways
    , comments in Belarus Railways Workers Community
    and
     
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  13. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
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    There are a lot of signs that the Russian defense is not going well.

    A full company captured at their own outpost. Very well fortified with expansive underground section.
     
  14. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    Wasn't this something @Yoshou found and then debunked last week?
     
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  15. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
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    Ukraine is trying to derail Russia. That shouldn't be in question. The question is how successful are they. The Community of Railway Workers of Belarus is an actual X account and website so that much rings true. That said, Russia has a reputation for top-notch railway logistics, repairs and management.
     
  16. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

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    Partially debunked.
     
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  17. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    Don't get me wrong I want it to be true, and the best logistics team in the world isnt worth shit if all the engineers are dead in a hole in Avdiivka. But I very much doubt the system will collapse before other transit modes do.
     
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  18. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

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    I think the extant of the debunk was that probably the entire system wasn't collapsing and probably they weren't going to execute struggling workers.

    What is probably accurate is that the system in struggling in areas bordering Belarus and Ukraine.
     
  19. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    lol. these must be shit quality units.
     
  20. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
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    Kids doing their obligatory one year service. They aren't expected to fight.
     
  21. RafaLarios

    RafaLarios Member+

    Oct 2, 2009
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    Yeah, actually they are forbidden to participate in war....

    that is why Russia is making them sign contracts so they can participate :ROFLMAO:.
     
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  22. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
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    This was an FSB base, although I don't know who was using it at the time of capture. Further investigation of it led to a section with rooms containing piles of dead Russian soldiers.

    Speaking of capture, Ukraine is going house-to-house in Sudzha and they found three Kadyrovites bravely hiding in a basement.
     
  23. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
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    A Russian Tu-22M3 bomber crashed in Russia. Going by the massive explosion, it was carrying missiles meant for Ukraine at the time.
     
  24. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
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    Bolivia
    I still think that one of the primary Ukrainian objectives was to expand their anti-aircraft bubble.
     
  25. roby

    roby Member+

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    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    They just might be the intelligent ones! :unsure:
     
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