Ukraine v Russia II

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  1. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
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    Chicago Red Stars
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    United States
    Ah, if only those silly Europeans had kept the 2% of GDP spending agreement.

    Maybe they would not be in this mess.
     
  2. waitforit

    waitforit Member+

    Dec 3, 2010
    Valcea
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    FC Steaua Bucuresti
    Nat'l Team:
    Romania
    You can keep your 2% and still be under prepared.

    While Romania technically not meet the 2% (1.99 no I am not joking) most of the money is going to line the pockets of the military. Retired too

    Somehow our GDP raises every year and 50% is still going towards the personnel


    Also this



    Jesus f Russia
     
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  3. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Or maybe don't give command of the world's most powerful military to a deranged lunatic like Mango?
     
  4. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
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    DC United
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    Vanuatu
    But her emails!
     
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  5. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    Hunters Laptop!
     
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  6. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
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    Seattle Sounders
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    Well, in Germany's case, their military procurement is completely bogged down in bureaucracy and they waste an absolute ton of money just trying to navigate the bureaucracy. Couple of examples that keep being tossed about is that it took Germany 10 years to get a new helmet for their helicopter crews and, remember how Germany modified their constitution to spend 100b Euros modernizing their military? Guess how much they have spent of that so far? yup, you guessed it, zero. It's so bad that the head of their military is taking to the press begging for the bureaucracy to release the funds and he's saying at current rate it will take 50 years for the Bundeswehr just to catch up on deferred maintenance and that they need something like 500b to actually modernize.
     
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  7. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
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    Canada
    Looks like Zelenskyy is looking towards China for peace

    Zelenskyy to Xi Jinping: Come to Ukraine
    https://www.politico.eu/article/volodymyr-zelenskyy-xi-jinping-ukraine-russia-war/

    Yet, Zelenskyy has recently signaled his openness to Chinese-led peace talks, using Beijing’s 12-point peace plan as a basis.
    • “I think some of the Chinese proposals respect international law, and I think we can work on it with China,” the Ukrainian president said earlier this month.
     
  8. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

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    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
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    Atlanta
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    --other--
  9. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
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    He's singing the Bee Gees, as well? How does he hit the falsetto notes?

    Is there anything Zelenskyy can't do?
     
  10. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Yes - i posted about this a while back - its not a question of money - the problem is they really need to overhaul procurement.

    To be fair it will likely go the usual way. They'll be very slow to start, and then in 5 years they'll be throwing away panzers because they made way too many
     
  11. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
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    Manchester United FC
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    Ireland Republic
    That's a really nasty trick from Zelensky. Manipulative, expoitative and devious.

    Didn't think he had it in him.
     
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  12. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
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    Chicago Red Stars
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    United States
    That is our problem, Europeans can't control that, what they could control, is spend enough money on their defense that they don't need to be dependent on a country that could elect a fvcking clown as President.
     
  13. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
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    Manchester United FC
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    Ireland Republic
    SOP in warfare, especially if you're about to go on the offensive.

    You want your opponent kept guessing until the last possible moment.
     
  14. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
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    Seattle Sounders
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    United States
    I wouldn't say Ukraine is looking towards China for peace, but rather getting into negotiations with China so that Ukraine can convince China to not get involved on Russia's side.

    Ukraine's position hasn't really changed. Russia has to withdraw before any negotiations can really begin. Whether that is all the way out of Ukraine, or at least back to the pre 2022 lines.
     
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  15. :D
     
  16. I think you're absolutely right. We must outspend the USA so to be able to invade it and liberate half the population from the fascist regime the other half has installed.
     
  17. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    You're assuming that the US would be favorable to an independent Europe. Signs points to the opposite
     
  18. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
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    Seattle Sounders
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    United States
    What signs are those? The fact that one of our parties wants to pull out of NATO, while the other party is telling Europe that they need to step up and start focusing on their own defense rather than relying on the US?
     
  19. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
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    United States
    That is actually not a terrible idea.
     
  20. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Bad news for the Tankies

    The WSJ wrote an article pointing out that the Russian economy is broke, so Putin had to arrest the journo!

     
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  21. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    Murdoch surprised that he would be betrayed by an ally
     
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  22. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    he probably forgot to pay his monthly vig
     
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  23. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
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    What are you talking about? Every US administration in my lifetime would have done cartwheels with joy if Europe took actions to be able to defend itself with minimal or no US involvement. Every time the US needs to get involved in Europe, it distracts from efforts to pivot more fully to the Pacific.
     
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  24. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
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    Canada
    You're talking military only - the US also profits from Europe following its wishes on other matters such as foreign policy, trade and energy just to name those.
     
  25. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Aarhus, Denmark
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    AGF Aarhus
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    Denmark
    #8850 Ceres, Mar 30, 2023
    Last edited: Mar 30, 2023
    The Nordic countries have now establish a unified air defence, in spite of Sweden and Finland not yet officially having joined NATO. In the past Finland have never participated in NATO military operations, likewise Sweden, who are a huge producer of weaponry and fighter jets, also never really contributed to much before the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and Norway only a little, while Denmark is always doing more than you would think like in Afghanistan, Yugoslavia and in the 2011 military intervention in Libya where French flights bombed around 33% of all of the targets, the UK 21%, Denmark approximately 17% while the USA were responsible for 16%, Italy around 10%, and then a few other countries like Norway, Canada, Belgium, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates a slight bit of lethal force here and there.

    But now the "tiny" Nordic countries, who have a larger GDP than Russia, and rule most of the top rankings of the World in progress, development, lack of corruption, and also in happiness, while Russia for the most part is at the bottom of the pile, have decided to combine and unite their air force :

     
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