Ukraine v Russia II

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  1. argentine soccer fan

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    Well, as long as the US and Western European countries are subject to elections, we can speculate not just about the US but also European countries changing governments, resulting in changes in policy. It's always a risk, but if we worked based on those assumptions then we'd never do anything. I suppose a significant change would hinge on whether continued involvement in Ukraine becomes unpopular at home, either in the US or in Europe.

    People in democracies tend to get tired of supporting war, but in this case I don't think we are there. Obviously if you word a poll question as something like "should we give a blank check to Ukraine?" many fiscal conservatives in the US -and also in Europe- might say no. I mean, I'd also say no to a question like that, even though I think we should do more to help Ukraine than what we are doing. So, that doesn't mean that they don't support what we are doing right now. As long as a significant majority here in the US and in Western Europe still wants to help Ukraine and/or believes it's important to stop Russian expansion, I don't think we will see a significant change in policy. And right now polls indicate that they do.
     
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  2. spejic

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    Of note, they have a lot of very upgraded T-72's in the form of their indigenous PT-91 which they have not given to Ukraine and would be of more immediate use to them than Leopards.
     
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  3. Yoshou

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    Greece is in a bit of a sticky situation tho with Erdogan constantly waving the sabre at them. Most of it is just for political posturing, but If Erdogan gets in a situation where he's on the verge of losing the election... Ehhhh.
     
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  4. Robert Borden

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  5. argentine soccer fan

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    Lukashenko should sign a non-aggression pact with his own people, who voted him out of office, and with the opposition leaders and their supporters that he jailed. Maybe he should also accept the results of the last election in his country.
     
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  6. Robert Borden

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  7. marek

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    can she do that?
    Don’t they need some Phoney baloney vote and or declaration from the Bundestag, like we do in the US?
     
  8. Robert Borden

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    Every governments have their "amateur"
     
  9. waitforit

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    #6959 waitforit, Jan 25, 2023
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    He thought he was being clever by doing this just before winter. I thought they were trying to scare the more gullible folks but noooo they themselves also believe it

    The dumbs dumbs really thought Europe will die of cold and hunger. Worse he thought Western Europe will suffer

    August 2022 (gas was 3500 euros per thousand cubic meters)

    It is 560 now BTW

    The biggest lol is Russia saying they will not accept an oil cap of 60 dollars. They are selling it at 48 currently

    India was buying at 32-35 in december

    And Russia again discovered that yes they will have other clients other than EU. But no one will pay as well.
     
  10. marek

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    yes, let’s not talk about the Poles
    They were not the ones leading all of Europe in appeasing Putin/Russia for the last several decades and only waking up after the fighting already started

    Poles ********!ng with the Germans comes right behind Ukrainians killing Russians when it comes to the ‘entertainment’ side international news
     
  11. superdave

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    That TV show is available on Hulu or Netflix or one of those. I watched the first episode. It's interesting given events of the last 12 months.
     
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  12. The Jitty Slitter

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    Tracey remains the second dumbest man on the internet
     
  13. Smurfquake

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    He's just lucky he's still alive after his encounter with Maxine Waters.
     
  14. The Jitty Slitter

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    It must be difficult when you see the likes of Greenwald and Shapiro making so much money yet even getting laid out by Maxine Waters didn't get you past D list podcaster
     
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  15. Robert Borden

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    #6965 Robert Borden, Jan 25, 2023
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    That's not surprising at all - no oil producer would ever agree to the principle of its clients fixing the price of their commodity. This most likely pissed off the Saudis to the point that they will accept other currencies undermining the US dollars and join BRICS

    Yes - India are getting huge discount but in return, it furthered positioned India on their side so they took the hit financially but gained diplomatically. India refusal to condemn Russia shocked Washington who even considered sanctioning them - the very mechanism alienating the Global South.

    This is what I meant by "hard reset" on diplomacy - I find it deplorable how poorly we did on that front.

    Their take on this
     
  16. Ever heared of "Russian roulette"?
     
  17. Uhm, they have Turkey to look out for.
     
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  18. We used to have an Eighty Years War, you know.
     
  19. He's American.
     
  20. Dage

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    Nah.. as if in that fictional war tanks would play a role.. and Turkey attacking a NATO ally and EU country would be on a total different scale than Russia attacking Ukraine.
     
  21. Robert Borden

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    Recent sources talks about 10 leopard tanks
    Fleet:112
     
  22. Well, they hadnot tanks when the Ottomans invaded. Know what happened to Greece?
     
  23. Dage

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    The ottomans didn't invade main pan-insula of Greece. They"cleared" little Asia, the west coast of what today's turkey consists to.
     
  24. Ehh?
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    The Ottoman Empire covered the whole of Greece.
     
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  25. marek

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