Ukraine v Russia II

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  1. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
    Olympia
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    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Oddly enough, Russian is one of the few language options on some ATMs in my area.
     
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  2. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
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    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Since the end of the Cold War, the only thing that Americans thought of when they thought of Russia was prostitutes and gangsters.

    It’s a weird thing, so many foreigners seem to think Americans are always plotting against their countries, while Americans don’t even know where those countries are.
     
  3. chaski

    chaski Moderator
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    Mar 20, 2000
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    Sonoma County is full of Russian sympathizers.

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  4. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
  5. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    Been to Fort Ross a couple of times.
     
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  6. yasik19

    yasik19 Moderator
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    Chelsea
    Ukraine
    Oct 21, 2004
    Daly City
    Same, a cool place to visit.
     
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  7. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Because there is a level of mass destruction that NATO will respond to with force, and we've already said that nuclear weapons are over that line. I'm sure there are conventional ways to get over that line too.

    I don't know how much damage breaking the dam will do. While it is holding back a large amount of water, there isn't a great height difference between the sides. Hopefully we won't find out.
     
  8. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    It's been reported that the fighting here is very largely infantry on foot. It is so flat and open here it just isn't possible to hide vehicle movement and both sides have long range direct fire weapons that can hit pretty accurately over a few kilometers. This is just a way to move infantry somewhere quickly and by moving as fast as they can and not stopping they hopefully won't get hit. It's kind of like how America moved troops around by helicopter in Vietnam.
     
  9. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    From a WSJ article, the amount of material captured in the recent Kharkiv front actions is staggering. One Ukrainian said “We’ve got so many trophies that we don’t even know what to do with them. We started off as an infantry battalion, and now we are sort of becoming a mechanized battalion.” The shortage in Soviet 152mm artillery shells that have been hampering Ukraine for months is now over. They functionally outgun the Russians on this part of the front now.
     
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  10. Boandlkramer

    Boandlkramer Member+

    Apr 9, 2009
    Samma Weltmeister!
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    FC Bayern München
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    Germany
    Movement to contact is s a very fast paced maneuver. It consists of orienting on the enemy speed and lethality. Think of it as a cavalry charge. Different systems but same objectives here.
     
  11. Belgian guy

    Belgian guy Member+

    Club Brugge
    Belgium
    Aug 19, 2002
    Belgium
    Club:
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    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/05/tim...saudi-relationship-sen-chris-murphy-says.html

    No shit!

    The bottom line of the arrangement was supposedly that the Saudi's could commit all the war crimes they wanted and occasionally chop up newspaper reporters as long as they provided the West's energy needs.
    If you bottom line it in this moment, what is actually the net gain of the current status quo? Other than for individual crooks like the Trump clan.

    The weakness vis-à-vis Saudi-Arabia already was quite pathetic but it is going to a whole other level with this latest debacle.
     
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  12. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    With the current twitter beef as US oligarchs realise nuclear war might be a damper on their lifestyles, it seems once again few people recommending a "diplomatic track' for Ukraine actually offer any idea how to get Putin to take such a track seriously, that doesn't involve giving him victory, and that Ukraine would agree to.

    And even if that were possible, why wouldn't Putin just consolidate then do exactly the same thing again, when it had been proven that nuclear threats work?

    Musk seems to voice an unspoken assumption that Putin has some reasonable ambitions that you can just trade for in high stakes negotiation like in the business world.

    But of course in international politics and war, that approach does not work. Say there was a ceasefire today how would you ensure Putin complies with supposed referendum process and results?
     
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  13. Belgian guy

    Belgian guy Member+

    Club Brugge
    Belgium
    Aug 19, 2002
    Belgium
    Club:
    Club Brugge KV
     
  14. Belgian guy

    Belgian guy Member+

    Club Brugge
    Belgium
    Aug 19, 2002
    Belgium
    Club:
    Club Brugge KV
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  15. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    DC United
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    United States
    Musk can relate to Putin because they’re both sociopaths.
     
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  16. marek

    marek Member+

    Lechia Gdańsk
    Jun 27, 2000
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    OSP Lechia Gdansk
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
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    this was back in 1917
    very curious how things play out this time
     
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  17. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
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    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So that justifies a really horrible weapon?
     
  18. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Someone was asking about the Ukrainian gas transmission contracts the other day - this article has the full details

    There is also yet another pipeline mentioned which runs through Poland - this was cut off months ago.

    KYIV, Ukraine — With its blasted Nord Stream pipelines draped uselessly across the bottom of the Baltic Sea, Russia is left with only two ways to get its natural gas exports to Europe. There’s the TurkStream pipeline under the Black Sea to Turkey — and then there’s Ukraine.

    After more than seven months of full-scale warfare, about 42 million cubic meters of Russian gas still flows through Ukrainian pipelines to Europe each day, sustaining an economic artery for Moscow’s sanction-riddled wartime economy while also providing Kyiv a source of revenue worth about $7 billion over five years. Yet, just one day after explosions breached the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines on Sept. 26, the Russian state gas company, Gazprom, threatened to stop sending gas through Ukraine over a contract dispute.

    https://www.coffeeordie.com/russia-relies-on-ukrainian-pipelines
     
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  19. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
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    CA Boca Juniors
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    Argentina
    It's all relative, isn't it?
     
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  20. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    What is a non-horrible weapon? :unsure:
     
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  21. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
    Club:
    DC United
    A wet finger.
     
  22. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    There is a lot to be fascinated about when it comes to Russian culture. There is a large Russian community in the Bay Area, and they are very interesting people. I've got to know a good number of them because Argentine tango is popular among them, and I often meet Russians at tango practices and milongas.

    One of my dance partners is a Russian whose mother still lives (or lived) in Eastern Ukraine. She had shared with me some years ago how she was worried about her mother because they were at war (this was before this year's Russian invasion but after Russian separatists had taken over the area in 2014), and she wanted to get her out, but her mother didn't want to leave her home. I haven't seen her much since the pandemic, as I haven't been dancing, but I met her at a party about a month ago, and asked her about her mom. She got very serious and said that she didn't want to talk about it. I really feel for her.
     
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  23. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    A few years back, more than 10, we went into a supermarket in Woodburn, Oregon.
    Aisles were listed in English and Russian Cyrillic. We found out that there was a huge influx of Russians there from a happy, chatty group buying goods for a Russian wedding.
     
  24. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Talking about capping oil price was a bad idea and this led in part to OPEC to do this move as they demonstrated their willingness to defend their profits. Also, the Saudis are buying oil from Russia at a discounted price and sell it back to us at increased market price - same scheme being used by the Indians buying their stuff at a discount and selling it back to Europe at a premium.
     
  25. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
    Club:
    Birmingham City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why is it a bad idea? Walk me through the environmental and societal implications of using market forces to reduce Middle Eastern or Russian hydrocarbon use.

    Do be as specific as you can.
     

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