Ukraine v Russia II

First Post for Ukraine v. Russia II --Putin's Electric Boogaloo

 

I saw a BBC interview with a russian guy being interviewed on BBC Newsnight tonight and he repeated this claim that the people fighting for the Ukrainians in the east are fascists, particularly the Azov brigade and the thing is, that's not entirely a lie as this from from the BBC about 4 years back illustrated...



I only mention it because I keep saying the Azov brigade mentioned as if they're the last bastion of freedom standing against Russian fascism and, although I dare say they ARE determined fighters against the Russians, there's a BIT more to it than that.

I just think it's important we remember some of the dynamics involved in politics in the former east bloc countries and not get suckered into accepting the appearance of everything we're being told.

As I said before, the significance of Zelenskiy is that he wasn't an extremist particularly and was trying to straddle the divide between the competing factions within Ukrainian society.

 

So the question of the day is "is this the real Donbas attack or not?" and I think it is, even though there are units still moving towards the front and two dozen BTG's still regrouping in Belarus. I don't think they would waste good units and materiel for no reason before the real attack starts. They are also churning up the ground really bad and would make a later attack on the same dirt much slower.

What I think is happening (and this is very much a guess from someone with limited knowledge and no insight into the Russian mind) is that they are attacking everywhere with as many units as the road network and ground can support and then start pushing reinforcements into any attacks that are succeeding in old Soviet style. I think they want a grinding battle that pits their ability to train and truck in shells vs Ukraine's total stock of shells period.

 

I wonder how many threads we'll end up having for this war.

 

Azov was diluted back in 2015 following the nazi activities amplified by Russia.

The wolfangel is an ancient runic symbol that was appropriated by the Nazis. Same with the Celtic cross.

I’m 2014, it was assessed that 10-20% were active Neonazis. In 2015, they were expanded and diluted with local and far away volunteers. I’d suggest the numbers are lower these days. That being said

Nobody ever called the 82 ABN “Nazis”

“After Racial Slayings, Army Identifies 22 Skinhead Soldiers in 82nd Airborne”

https://apnews.com/article/4004a996daa74434a37344c82dad8660

https://www.rollcall.com/2021/02/16...ads-white-supremacists-have-made-in-military/

Don’t even get me started on the Orc army.

Russia has amplified Nazi associations with them and all of UKR quite successfully…we’re still talking about it and 3d world Putin stooges dogpile pro UKR posts all over social media.

That being said, I’m not saying they don’t have problematic members. Just pointing out the broad brush being applied here and so many have accepted it as fact

 

Ukraine has not yet perished!

 

Nothing good happens after II, so this had better be the last thread!

 

April 15 (Reuters) - Russia has warned the United States that there will be "unpredictable consequences" if Washington keeps arming Ukraine, The Washington Post reported on Friday.

In Moscow, a foreign ministry spokeswoman confirmed Russia had sent diplomatic notes to the United States and other nations about supplying weapons to Ukraine but did not say what the messages contained, Interfax news agency reported.

"We call on the United States and its allies to stop the irresponsible militarization of Ukraine, which implies unpredictable consequences for regional and international security," the Post quoted Russia saying in a note to the United States.

https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-warns-us-stop-arming-ukraine-washington-post-2022-04-15/

this is several days old, but I dont recall it being mentioned here
is Putin setting the stage for an escalation against the Western countries who are arming Ukraine

by issuing a diplomatic note he might then allow himself further steps if the complaints in the note are not addressed

 

only if the Winged Hussars Arrive!

 

Because it's just talk. He can't do anything. He's opened the door for greater sanctions and all sorts of Western aid through his soldier's horrific actions against civilians.

 

Especially with that rocket test he had this week, along with the rhetoric.

Hypersonic glide vehicles sounds pretty scar

 

Unlikely unless the Russians decide to invade Poland

 

Typically they make a deal with the Prussians first soooo....

 

Technically this isn't accurate, the Fast and Furious series got better after the 2nd movie.

 

Yes, they've obviously made efforts to clear out some of the idiots and, as you also say, it's not like other military across the west haven't got some of the same 'issues', at least to some extent..

Having said that the BBC film I posted was from 2018

I was just making the point that politics in the former eastern bloc countries are different to those in much of western Europe, as we've seen in Hungary with Orban and in Poland and that that feeds into how they run their societies and who they allow to work alongside the state.

 

picture? no, I don’t don’t… can you share?

 

And if you choose to, you can imagine that Ukraine is Rocky and Russia is Ivan

 

Then we should send a diplomatic note to Putin with complaints about an illegal war (aren’t they all) and atrocities and demand an answer and withdrawal.
Why let him control the dialogue.

 

definition of better? A steaming pile of crap with a rose in it is still a steaming pile of crap.

 

I remember another exchange between Russian and American presidents. Some guys called Khrushchev and Kennedy.

As I remember there were nuke threats at that time also.

 

sure, let’s do that, maybe even let the UN Security Council handle it

my point was that in Putin’s mind (however incorrect he might be), he issued an official complaint and if that does not stop the arms shipment, he might feel justified (again in his own mind) to escalate against whoever is supplying the arms

He’d be wrong and his complaints are transparent in light of what his army is doing in Ukraine…. but as far as he might see it (or find it useful to frame it that way) he’d be justified