UK General Election 2017

Discussion in 'Elections' started by The Biscuitman, Dec 11, 2014.

  1. The Biscuitman

    The Biscuitman Member+

    Jul 4, 2007
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    It isnt a major issue, thats why.

    it is discussed because UKIP have pushed the issue into mainstream conversation yet they are predicted to get a whopping 1-3 seats.

    Wow, what a hot topic!
     
  2. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Is this a continuing descent into madness or part of a conversation with 'he who must not be named'?
     
  3. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Are the two mutually exclusive?
     
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  4. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Who saw Question Time last night? I refuse to call them 'debates' because.. well, they're not.

    Cameron was as shifty and evasive as you'd expect on almost everything.

    I thought Ed needed to be more 'agreeable' on the question from that idiot who parrotted the tories line about them overspending. Yes, it's almost total bullshit but that's the line that the tories and lib/dem, (tory-lite), and their 'meeja' have been pushing for the past several years. Telling the guy he doesn't know what he's talking about, whilst true, isn't maybe the best way to get elected. People don't like to be told they're idiots... even if they are.

    By the time Cleggie turned up the audience were pretty excitable but, as I expected. he sounded plausible enough... of course, he always sounds plausible... it's what he DOES that's the issue.
     
  5. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Hmm... good point. Of course, maybe one leads to the other :D
     
  6. Colm

    Colm Member

    Aug 17, 2004
    UK
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    --other--
    Exactly, UKIP are going to be irrelevant the morning after the election. The NHS is the most important topic right now along with the economy i.e deficit, benefit cuts and of course what coalitions of minority government will be formed after the election etc..

    DUP, Sinn Fein and maybe plaid cymru will have more than seats than UKIP. UKIP are nobodies and if Farage doesn't win his seat he will resign and their party is finished.

    and you mentioned "English Parliament" as an extremely important issue :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
     
  7. Colm

    Colm Member

    Aug 17, 2004
    UK
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    I thought Clegg did the best but he's always good at these things.
     
  8. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Just caught bits of it. Probably going to watch it in full later in the weekend.
    Turns out there were a couple of Tory plants in the undecided crew though.

    http://labourlist.org/2015/05/about-that-question-time-audience/
     
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  9. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    He's an excellent orator (one of the best around at the moment) and very good at thinking on his feet, but he has a record that's very difficult to defend in full.
     
  10. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
  11. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    How can you do that without paying a big price in electoral terms?
     
  12. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    That's exactly the point.

    The guy who was saying he could have chosen to support a minority labour government instead of a minority tory one was wrong but the truth is that the liberals could have come to a confidence and supply agreement on certain things and left more contentious ones to individual votes.

    With the bedroom tax, for instance, there was a choice between increasing taxes on the well-off or cutting benefits to the poor. Let the tories propose it and, if it fails, they'd be forced to look at alternatives. The point is that it wouldn't have even GOT to that point if not for the liberals support of the tory-led government.
     
  13. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    How can you do what?
     
  14. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Place those submarine party people in the "undecided crowd" and get caught.
     
  15. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    By most of the (right wing) media not reporting it.
     
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  16. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Submarine people?


    Edit: FFS Is this another tigger guy comment you're replying to??? :mad:
     
  17. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
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    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
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    Germany
    No I was talking about the "Tory plants" you mentioned and that were mentioned in the article.

    Im amazed cause if someone dared to that over here it would cause a major shitstorm.
     
  18. The Biscuitman

    The Biscuitman Member+

    Jul 4, 2007
    Club:
    Reading FC
    I actually think the lib dems have done pretty well over the last 5 years in respect of bring the minor party in a coalition.

    you are always going to take a kicking in that position yet if you dig beneath the headlines you will see income tax threshold up to £10k, pupil premium introduced, respite help for carers, dementia research, free school meals, enquiry into torture & rendition et etc. The list goes on. Here is a good website highlifhting much of it

    http://whatthehellhavethelibdemsdone.com/

    they rightly take a kicking over uni costs though
     
  19. Colm

    Colm Member

    Aug 17, 2004
    UK
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    Most of the press love the conservatives
     
  20. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Yeah, like the guy said, if it was labour there WOULD be shitstorm. Coz it's labour, nothing will be said about it.
     
  21. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
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    Is this election this weekend? This campaign season has been going on forever like an American election campaign.
     
  22. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I haven't got a problem with them for what they've done, tbh. It's the fact that I think all this stuff about them having to be get their arses on to ministerial cars seats 'for stability' :rolleyes: is bollocks. They wanted to appear like they belonged in government for appearances sake and that was more important than what they did as part of the government.

    As for what they've done, don't forget, the increase in the tax threshold also helps everyone ABOVE the low paid and to precisely the same extent in cash terms, even if the proportion might be lower.

    It's just a continuation of the tories 'tax-cutting' agenda IOW.

    The increases in VAT harm the poor more, as do the reductions in benefits, the bedroom tax, etc. etc. If the liberals weren't bolted on to the side of the tories like a rather crap motorbike and sidecar, they could have simply said, "no... we ain't doing that. You'll have to think of another way", (hint: raising taxes on the rich for instance???).

    But then Cleggie wouldn't have been able to call himself the 'deputy prime-minister' would he... so feck him, I say :mad:
     
  23. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    It's next Thursday 7th May. It seems to have gone on for a long time for us because the date has been set for 5 years but, in fact, they've only actually been canvassing for votes for a couple of weeks.

    In a sense, politics is ALWAYS going on, isn't it.
     
  24. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
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    DC United
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    Yes. And there are only 556 days until the US general election.
     
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  25. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
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