UK General Election 2017

Discussion in 'Elections' started by The Biscuitman, Dec 11, 2014.

  1. Colm

    Colm Member

    Aug 17, 2004
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    He's the leader of the party, if he goes they'll need a new leader and the new leader might not want to into bed with the tories given that going into bed with them was suicide.
     
  2. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    The thing is, if the DUP get, say, 7 or 8 and UKIP only get a couple and the tories aren't too far away, they'll be an attraction to the leadership to go into another deal. IIRC Cleggie has said he'll talk to the 'largest party first'. As long as the tories don't get anywhere near 300 any discussions would HAVE to include the DUP and probably UKIP and that'll put the kibosh on the idea.
     
  3. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    Yeah, it doesn't actually change anything. It's more a matter of the personality of the guy. Theoretically he could be MORE inclined to do a deal with the tories... but I doubt it.
     
  4. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
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    Was that some kind of freudian slip??
     
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  5. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    It'll be a major shock if Farron isn't the next leader, and he's one the left of the party. Alexander is history, Laws is tainted beyond belief and Cable is lumbered with having defended the Tories. Lamb is a possibility, but Farron has been positioning himself as Clegg's successor since the coalition was agreed.
     
  6. Colm

    Colm Member

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    seat predictions

    Elections Etc – Hung Parliament, CON 292(+3), LAB 260(-6), LD 22(nc), SNP 51(+2), UKIP 4(-1), GRN 1
    Election Forecast – Hung Parliament, CON 280(-2), LAB 277(+2), LD 27(-1), SNP 42(+1), UKIP 1(nc), GRN 1
    May 2015 – Hung Parliament, CON 268(+3), LAB 276(-3), LD 26(nc), SNP 54(nc), UKIP 3(nc), GRN 1
    Guardian – Hung Parliament, CON 269(-2), LAB 271(nc), LD 29(nc), SNP 55(+2), UKIP 4(nc), GRN 1
    YouGov Nowcast – Hung Parliament, CON 266(+2), LAB 279(+2), LD 27(-1), SNP 50(-5), UKIP 5(+1), GRN 1
    Polling Observatory – Hung Parliament, CON 268, LAB 278, LD 28, SNP 49, UKIP 3, GRN 1

    Labour ahead in 4, Conservatives ahead in 2
     
  7. Waliatiger

    Waliatiger Member+

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    Substance over style.
     
  8. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
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    So UKIP's "substance is "FREE PARKING" ??
     
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  9. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
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    That's gotta be a troll, no? Somebody pretending to be of that party. Even in the U.S., we're not that illiterate.
     
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  10. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    Oh, I'd love to tell yer that was the case... I really would :(

    http://www.livemaguk.com/10-outrageous-ukip-blunders/

    Godfrey Bloom calls a room full of women ‘sluts’ and then slaps a reporter

     
  11. Waliatiger

    Waliatiger Member+

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    Seems like the establishment and people on this board are on a UKIP hate bandwagon. The reason why UKIP is shaking up the status quo is because they are saying what people are thinking and feeling. withdrawal from the EU and no to mass immigration. You can demonize them and their supporters all you want it won't change the fact that they are tapping into popular resentment. If an actually referendum was held for EU withdrawal and severely restricting immigration both measures in my opinion would pass nationwide especially in England proper.
     
  12. Waliatiger

    Waliatiger Member+

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    No they are esstentially the Tories on steroids the difference is they are right wing populists.
     
  13. White/Blue_since1860

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    Thats pretty much unheard-of over here. Party leaders here often hold secure list spots or destricts. Doesnt stop parties from king-slaying when they suffer a defeat in this or that election. But parties are expected to commit to one bloc or to not commit at all but changing sides after the election is political suicide.
     
  14. White/Blue_since1860

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    I know a coalition government is something that are British people have become unused to. But what would people think of a coalition government lead by labour when labour isnt the biggest party(the Tories) in parliament? Would there be some malus?
     
  15. White/Blue_since1860

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    Oh I for my part can relate to that call for taking back control of our "boarders".
     
  16. Waliatiger

    Waliatiger Member+

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    Germany has no authentic right wing populist party hence you cannot relate.
     
  17. White/Blue_since1860

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    We have and always had. But we dont have that much public schools. And no school uniforms, so we cant identify those bloody boarders on the streets!
     
  18. Waliatiger

    Waliatiger Member+

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    Right now? Who would that be the republicans or AfD? they are Both marginal at best and have no real widespread support in the General public.
     
  19. The Biscuitman

    The Biscuitman Member+

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    Predicted to get 2-4 seats. That's some serious shaking up!
     
  20. White/Blue_since1860

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    The republicans? What is it? 1991? As for UKIP shaking things up and AfD not:
    [​IMG]
    Bundestag, 2013 2,056,985 4.7 0 / 631
    Hesse, 2013 126,906 4.1 (#6) 0 / 110
    Saxony, 2014 159,611 9.7 (#4) 14 / 126
    Thuringia, 2014 99,548 10.6 (#4) 11 / 91
    Brandenburg, 2014
    119,989 12.2 (#4) 11 / 88
    Hamburg, 2015 214,833 6.1 (#6) 8 / 121
     
  21. Waliatiger

    Waliatiger Member+

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    I guess the republicans are dead who took their mantle the neo-nazi NPD? I would say they are fringe wackos surprised they haven't been banned yet. AfD look strong in depressed eastern Germany but to not even make the 5% threshold nationally shows how weak right-wing mainstream parties are in Germany.
     
  22. Waliatiger

    Waliatiger Member+

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    It's because of FPTP a PR system would net them a good 70-100 seats. I see them taking 10-16% of the vote nationally and finishing 2nd place in ove 100 constituencies not bad for a party of "loons, fruitcakes and closest racists"
     
  23. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
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    But he sounds smart because of the accent! Perhaps not so smart if I made him write, though.
     
  24. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    To you, maybe... to me he sounds like a cross between Arthur Daley and a garden-variety upper-class twit.

    [​IMG]

    'This economic policy is a nice little runner'
     
  25. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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