PBP: UEL - Manchester United FC vs FC København - Aug 10, 2020 [R]

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  1. gildarkevin

    gildarkevin Member

    Aug 26, 2002
    Washington, DC
    Right but we have one extra recovery day than either Wolves or Sevilla.

    And it's almost a week either way (next game is Sunday)
     
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  2. Ashur

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    The extra day definitely helps but the issue of fatigue from some (Bruno for instance) when you consider the minutes they've logged in this season and more specifically since the restart, is still a concern. Bruno really looks like a guy who is ready for nice, extended break at this stage.
    Let's hope that the guys have enough for a couple of games though. We'll see,
     
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  3. Naboomagnoli

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    This Martial is crying out for one, just one, attacker to match his level. It's such a shame Bruno's passing was Alexis standard today, among others. Martial in that second half and extra time was doing some scarily good shit. I think he's going to be our PotY next season if we keep the supply up.

    This was a game that made me think Ole will want Sancho and Grealish even more.
     
  4. Ruud v.Nistelrooy 10

    Staff Member

    Jamaica
    Jun 4, 2006
    Antilla
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    Manchester United FC
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    alright then

    Wolves or Sevilla. preference? discuss
     
  5. Anonymous_United

    Manchester United
    Brazil
    Jul 13, 2018
    If we keep up this form Sevilla,Wolves will roll us over..
     
  6. SyedZada

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    Sevilla, I am bored of playing Wolves.
     
  7. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

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    This United team that does tend to play up to the level of the opposition. So we can reasonably expect a different type of performance Sunday. Not even sure who I'd rather play though: Sevilla are no joke at all, but then again neither are Wolves. Would probably still tilt towards the former though. Wolves are sort of a bogey team to us and Sevilla's style is probably a better fit for us as well.
    Liked that Mata reminded us again how useful he can be in European football. With attacking bench options few and far between, he could have a role to play again Sunday. Not like he's played a ton this season so lack of freshness shouldn't be an issue for him at least either.
     
  8. Ashur

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    #133 Ashur, Aug 10, 2020
    Last edited: Aug 10, 2020
    No issue with this choice: unlucky not to score again today and gave Cope's backline fits, especially from the 2nd half on.


    Tip of the hat to Johnsson though: was excellent today. Really made us sweat.
     
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  9. Ashur

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  10. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

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    I do not think so, this was the 32nd game in a row FC København did not let in more than 1 goal in the Europa Cups. They are just that difficult to play against.
     
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  11. Ashur

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  12. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
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    Thought we showed some rust. Fred is going to need to show me something. He's clearly a good enough player for United, but he doesn't have a natural fit given our style of play.

    I thought Fred, Bailly, AWB and Rashford** all had good performances in ways that demonstrate that they aren't the perfect fit in our current best team.

    Fred had a few nice moments breaking the press and several tackles/recoveries but he sells himself instead of playing more conservatively and that leads to us being exposed because god bless Paul Pogba, but he's not a natural defender.

    Matic was a lot more measured and when he came on, we had more control, even when we didn't win the ball as often, he'd just wait, forcing them into a bad position from which we could pounce.

    Bailly made a couple goal-saving tackles/blocks but he isn't suited to playing between Maguire & AWB. Maguire is too slow and too reticent to close attackers down, so Bailly's enthusiasm leads to space.

    AWB is a gambler and he should play nexto to someone steady, not someone prone to lunging.

    If we play Maguire/Bailly/AWB again, I'd like to see Bailly on the left, best case, next to Shaw.

    Lindelof didn't appear to have as much an impact as Bailly did, but he settled us immediately and his method of receiving a pass on the half turn, pushing the ball into space, allowed us to progress the ball beyond their press with greater ease.

    When Rashford plays LW without Shaw (or a left footed LB who pushes beyond him), we lack an outlet and his game becomes more 1 dimentional than is helpful. He's added that pass over the top, but that is aided by an overlap which will leave space in the channel


    Shaw----------------Runner A--------------------------Runner B




    Rashford

    When there's no runner beyond Marcus, the RB can track runner A and the ball over the top is a lot harder to pull off.


    Overall reflections:

    Pogba was really good today. His energy, pressing, decision making and passing were all brilliant. Matic was good, Maguire was Maguire. BW was bad in a predictable way and AWB was bad in his usual way. He's the player who suffers the most from our lack of an elite 6, because he has way more responsibility in the build up if we can't break the press in 2 passes.

    Mason was meh. As usual, he's not involved enough, but also, as usual, if he gets the ball in a shooting position, he's likely to get a shot off and if he gets a shot off, it is probably going to hit the net or today, hit the post.

    This was a bad outing for Bruno, but he's very much late Giggs as an AM. He can have the worst game, but his DNA is danger and he'll create chances or score almost as a matter of course.

    Martial's season is up there with any season from an attacker at the club since Ronaldo's penultimate season. He's just had everything in his locker this year.
     
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  13. Sofabloke

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    Dec 24, 2003
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  14. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

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    Aarhus, Denmark
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    Copenhagen always have great keepers. They can not afford to sign Danish NT keepers, like Kasper Schmeichel, so instead they always invest in Swedish NT keepers, the last one being Robin Olsen who they sold to Roma in 2018 and replaced him with Johnsson who is also a Swedish NT keeper.
     
  15. Father Ted

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    Nov 2, 2001
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  16. Ashur

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  17. Ruud v.Nistelrooy 10

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    did anyone have any doubts about the award of the penalty?
     
  18. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

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    Don't feel it's been mentioned enough but Pogs was really good yesterday (the MotM if it wasn't for Martial). No worries about fatigue for him (having been out for most of the season) and very confident he'll keep that level of performance going. He's definitely done his part since returning.
     
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  19. jnielsen

    jnielsen Member+

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    #144 jnielsen, Aug 11, 2020
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2020
    I had questions about the penalty, and there weren't any replays from different angles. If it was just a shove by the defender, it seems that Martial went down pretty easily.
     
  20. Ruud v.Nistelrooy 10

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    this. watching their game now.

    Sevilla for sure
     
  21. johno

    johno Member+

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    I feel like it was soft, but it absolutely was a penalty. I think they got a way with a lot of fouls on us. I was struck by someone using two hands to pull AWB back and it was a no call early on. Martial might have had an earlier penalty when Rashford played him through on the left, he ended up shooting from a very sharp angle, but not before the defender grabbed his arm and pulled him back.


    I have a theory about our penalties. I could be wrong, but I think Martial and Rashford are just horrible matchups for CBs. Martial can't be bumped off the ball easily, and anyone who can, can't keep up with him if he takes off. Rashford has the most nutmegs in Europe this year.

    The combination of having attackers who will embarass you and shurg off legal shoulder barges is a bad one if you are trying to avoid fouling. I'd also be desperate to prevent Martial from shooting because he scores a super high rate of shots.
     
  22. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
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    Extended highlights from FCK TV

     
  23. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

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    Was left frustrated per se because the one view that would have undeniably cleared everything up (the one from behind the goal) was denied to us.
    The call did look a bit soft but when it's all said and done, oh well. Especially since they arguably got away with a call or two prior.
    Hats off to that team though (Copenhagen): they're obviously a team of limited means but they're very well coached (especially defensively), the players are well drilled and work extremely hard. Plus, most definitely wouldn't have fancied a pk shootout against them, the way Johnsson was playing.
    Kinda relieved we didn't end up with Wolves once again: still struggle with teams that are well organized at the back and it surely would have been a slog. Not dismissing Sevilla of course, but their style is better suited to us all the same. Really looking forward to that game actually.
     
  24. Sofabloke

    Sofabloke Member+

    Dec 24, 2003
    Mu
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    Manchester United FC
    No doubts at all about the penalty from me - would feel the same if it went against us.

    Defender was wrong-side, defenders will try a grab, a pull anything to slow you down when you have a shooting opportunity. The strongest centerforwards in the game such as Hughes, Shearer, Drogba etc. would all have gone down if a wrong-side defender pulls your shoulder, no matter how hard (unless easier to score).

    From the defenders point of view, you can’t get that tight and put your arm there if you are wrong side. Asking for trouble.

    Good to see Martial developing this aspect to his game - true centerforward play :)
     
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  25. Ashur

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