UEFA Euro 2024: England Tournament Thread [R]

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  1. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    It’s Foden who tends to struggle for England but only one of them want to drop him.

    The Lineups
    Pickford, Walker, Stones, Dunk, Trippier, Mainoo, Rice, Bellingham, Foden, Gordon, Kane
    Pickford, Walker, Stones, Guehi, Trippier, Rice, Alexander - Arnold, Bellingham, Saka, Foden, Kane
    Pickford, Walker, Stones, Dunk, Trippier, Mainoo, Rice, Bellingham, Saka, Foden, Kane
    Pickford, Walker, Stones, Guehi, Trippier, Rice, Bellingham, Foden, Saka, Palmer, Kane (Gordon or Bowen step in if Saka is unfit)
    Pickford, Walker, Stones, Dunk, Trippier, Alexander - Arnold, Rice, Bellingham, Foden, Gordon, Kane
    Pickford, Walker, Stones, Guehi, Trippier, Alexander - Arnold, Rice, Bellingham, Saka, Foden, Kane
    Pickford, Walker, Stones, Dunk, Trippier, Alexander - Arnold, Rice, Bellingham, Foden, Gordon, Kane
     
  2. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Some sad news this evening as Tommy Banks has died. RIP.


    Bryan Douglas and Colin McDonald are last two members of the 1958 squad still with us.
     
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  3. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    The great rovers legend Bryan Douglas
     
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  4. Fullerov

    Fullerov Member

    Bristol Rovers
    Nov 30, 2004
    Club:
    Bristol Rovers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Gallagher or Wharton for me. Winning opener is massive. If Saka isn't up to i'd rather have Bowen rather than Palmer on right. Especially if Foden is on left as think we'd see Kane, Bellingham and Palmer and Foden all taking up middle positions.
     
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  5. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Wharton has to start. He's far better option than trent or mainoo
     
  6. Fullerov

    Fullerov Member

    Bristol Rovers
    Nov 30, 2004
    Club:
    Bristol Rovers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Assuming all are fit I'd probably go

    Pickford
    Walker Stones Dunk Trippier
    Wharton Rice
    Saka Bellingham Gordon
    Kane

    If Guehi plays I'd want Gomez in at lb.
     
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  7. Fullerov

    Fullerov Member

    Bristol Rovers
    Nov 30, 2004
    Club:
    Bristol Rovers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I know there are still living players from 1954 world cup, would guess maybe none from 1950. Not specifically English.
     
  8. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    I don't recall anyone on here mention it either, but it happens all the time and it has been for a bit. Only the other day they were debating it on the Overlap after a fan suggested it.
     
  9. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    I fear Serbia more than Denmark. Maguire would have been ideal for this game. I just can't see ghuei or stones handling mitrovic or vlahovic. They have 4 or 5 very good players. Denmark are just a hard working team but lack any real quality.
     
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  10. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Feb 8, 2020
    I’ve barely seen it mentioned let alone all the time, I guess the Overlap was also in the context of his current fitness issues though (unless it was recorded weeks ago), there are very good alternatives. Many news outlets were floating Harry Kane being dropped in the last Euros it happens to all players.
     
  11. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    I've only seen the clip and not the full episode but it seems fairly clear the context was around getting both Foden and Jude in the team.

    Ferdinand has had the debate on his podcast at some stage, and it's a fairly ongoing debate on Twitter that came about when people regularly posted pics of their preferred XIs on Twitter and Saka was missing from a large portion of them.

    I do think Saka is a very underappreciated player. The discourse around the debate between him and Foden (which is a nonsense and tiresome comparison) has exposed to me that a lot of people really, really underrate him.
     
  12. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    there is reason Chelsea finished lower in the table

    Arsenal press and defend as a team

    Saka works hard both sides of the ball and gets doubled by slot of left backs

    when he goes one on one he has free license
     
  13. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Anyone else have their lowest expectations for a long time?

    maybe it was the friendlies or the lack of a left back and Southgate’s o session playing a right back in midfield
     
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  14. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    I think there's an argument for Arsenal becoming a bit more expansive at times. The defensive work Saka does exceeds that of pretty much every other winger I've seen at the top level currently, at least from the eye test. It's crazy he puts up the attacking numbers he does.

    It's inevitably going to happen at some stage but I'd like to see him given more access to the half spaces and central areas. I think the role Olise currently plays for Palace would be perfect for him.
     
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  15. Khadrim

    Khadrim Member

    Jul 30, 2011
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    If that is true why drop Grealish for Foden? Grealish has made decisive interventions for England in the past. Foden from my recollection hasn't.
     
  16. Inter Row Z

    Inter Row Z Member+

    Oldham Athletic
    England
    Mar 26, 2023
    Nah, there's too much quality in this squad to start getting all pessimistic. We've seen some horribly unconvincing performances right throughout the season (Australia and Malta most notably) it's true, but this is where it counts. Southgate's had 10 days on the training pitch now to bed in some new combinations and fashion together a cohesive unit - and that Iceland defeat should have focused the mind. Keep the faith.
     
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  17. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Saka has won the past two England player of the year awards which is voted for by the fans. Foden and Jude have been better than him this season though.
     
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  18. Inter Row Z

    Inter Row Z Member+

    Oldham Athletic
    England
    Mar 26, 2023
    Fair point. If Southgate has dropped Grealish and Rashford because he wants wide men who can lead the press and pin the opposition back further up the field, then starting Phil Foden on the left doesn't particularly fit the masterplan either.
     
  19. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
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    Yeah, I can't remember too many players more broadly popular than Saka has been for England thus far. I'd actually say he gets an easier time of it than basically any regulars in the squad. I mean Kane is a fully fledged England legend and by far our best striker and will have people questioning his place after a couple of average games.
     
  20. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Not pessimist but realistic. I'm hoping to go all the way, we're good enough but my head Says France. Which I don't understand because apart from centreback we're as good as them and better than them in other positions
     
  21. Kroos46

    Kroos46 Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jun 6, 2023
    This should be the English lineup according to Guerin Sportivo
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  22. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    People might question Kane's big game contributions relative to his status in the game but who ever really suggests he should be dropped for England?

    Foden has also had a significantly easier time of things than Saka has.
     
  23. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021



    Brentford's England striker Ivan Toney, 28, and 24-year-old Canada forward Jonathan David, who plays for Lille, are also on Manchester United's shortlist of targets. (Independent)

    Brentford will refuse to sell England striker Ivan Toney, 28, for any less than £60m, although they previously valued him at £80m. (Talksport)

    Manchester United are hoping to strike a deal with Everton for Jarrad Branthwaite after agreeing personal terms with the England defender. (Daily Telegraph)

    England manager Gareth Southgate and his players have turned to a celebrity-endorsed smart-ring in their bid to become European champions. (Daily Telegraph)
     
  24. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    I don't know who Guerin Sportivo is or who he played for but he really should know that Maguire isn't in the squad!
     
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  25. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    Plenty of people questioned Kanes place in the side after the slow start to the last Euro's.

    Foden gets away with poor performances generally also, but I'm not really getting what hard time Saka gets? He's basically a lock in the vast majority of peoples teams, the only real questions about him are his current fitness rather than his ability.
     
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