UEFA Cup Final: FC Porto v. Celtic [R]

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  1. um_chili

    um_chili Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    Losanjealous
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They've got one of these going on the Scotland boards, figured we should have one of our own.

    So the sh!t goes down May 21 in Seville. Ladbrokes has Porto is the 4/6 favorite, Celtic as the 11/10 underdog, but as you can see those odds are virtually dead even.

    I haven't seen anything to suggest this will be other than a close, exciting game with both teams playing bright, attacking football. Recent form doesn't tell much, though Porto stumbled to a draw last week against Academica while Celtic beat Rangers. Of some interest is that this is the first time the "Silver Goal" will be used in a major game--meaning the team leading after the first period of extra time wins:

    http://www.uefa.com/competitions/UEFACup/News/Kind=1/newsId=66400.html

    I'd love to see Porto win, b/c I tend to support Portuguese soccer generally but I don't have a favorite team. I realize Sporting and Benfica fans are probably rooting for Celtic (much as Rangers fans are presumably rooting for Porto), but I think a win for Porto would be great overall for Portuguese soccer regardless of your loyalties. It would be, I believe, the first major international honor for a Portuguese club team since 1987 (Porto, European Championship).

    I think Porto is the better team overall, though not by much, and they should win if they play to their ability. I've seen them let down a couple times throughout the UEFA Cup run, but this has almost invariably been in the second leg after they've sealed the result with a massive win in the first leg, so I don't think it's too much of a concern. What is a concern is the absence of Helder Postiga for his red-card in the second leg v. Lazio; he brings as much goalscoring threat and creativity up front as anyone--but fortunately we can fall back on Deco and Derlei. So I think Porto should take it, but it will be a close, hard-fought match. What does everyone else think?
     
  2. TVENTURA

    TVENTURA New Member

    Apr 11, 2003
    is this game gonna be showed anywhere on tv? i'm not a Porto fan but they have a great team and i agree if they play to their best, they will win. is gonna be close though!!!
     
  3. um_chili

    um_chili Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    Losanjealous
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It will be shown live on Fox Sports World, and I imagine RTPi might have it as well, or at least will show replays.
     
  4. biggyv

    biggyv Member

    May 18, 2000
    PGH PA
    I'm a Benfica fan, and I'm rooting for Porto. If it was Sporting, that would be a different story.

    I think they'll win. They've just been so consistent all year, and on such great form, that I think they'll be too much for Celtic.
     
  5. TVENTURA

    TVENTURA New Member

    Apr 11, 2003
    I have to agree. if Porto plays to its best i don't think Celtic can stop them!!!!but one off day is all it takes.....
     
  6. TVENTURA

    TVENTURA New Member

    Apr 11, 2003
    i just read in uefa.com that Costinha will probably not play in the final against Celtic. How!!!that is a blow for Porto, he is the rock in midfield...
     
  7. um_chili

    um_chili Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    Losanjealous
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Celtic is dealing with some injuries of their own, most notably Hartson:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=reu-hartson&prov=reuters&type=lgns

    Still, sounds like we face more problems on this front, missing both Postiga and (looks like) Costinha, while the article above makes it sound like Celtic will probably be able to field a full team by next Wednesday.
     
  8. Benfica_fan

    Benfica_fan Member

    Jun 5, 2002
    Connecticut
    I hope porto looses. I would like to see Celtic destroy them.

    By the way, the game should be show live on Fox Sports World, RTPi should show highlights after it ends.
     
  9. AFCA

    AFCA Member

    Jul 16, 2002
    X X X rated
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    I'm not really biased on this one allthough I like Celtic.

    Think it's going to be a very nice match.
     
  10. TVENTURA

    TVENTURA New Member

    Apr 11, 2003
    I'm also a Benfica fan, but when it comes down playing against a foreign team i support any Portuguese team.....
     
  11. biggyv

    biggyv Member

    May 18, 2000
    PGH PA
    It's confirmed that Hartson is out for Celtic, that's a big loss for them.

    And yes, the match will be shown live on Fox Sports World at 2:30 PM ET Wednesday, kickoff is at 2:45. They will also replay the match at 8:00 PM ET and 3:00 AM ET.
     
  12. ECMoney

    ECMoney Member

    May 9, 2003
    Toronto
    Costinha will be ready and fit by Wednesday.
    It was just confirmed today. As for Postiga, I am not sure what is wrong with him or if he will be playing but that is a big loss for Porto, he has played great!
     
  13. ECMoney

    ECMoney Member

    May 9, 2003
    Toronto
    I think Porto will beat Celtic with ease.
    My prediction:
    Porto 3 - 0 Celtic

    (by the way, I am not Portuguese nor do I have any Portuguese roots so my prediction is not biased).
     
  14. um_chili

    um_chili Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    Losanjealous
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good news about Costinha. Postiga is suspended for this game b/c he got a red card in the second leg v. Lazio.
     
  15. Selecao2002

    Selecao2002 New Member

    Oct 20, 2000
    MA
    Mourinho announced 10 of his 11 starters today:

    GK: Baia
    Def: Ferreira, Jorge Costa, Carvalho, Valente
    Mid: Costinha, Alentichev, Deco, Maniche
    For: Derlei

    The other starter will come from the trio of Janaukus, Marco Ferreira or Capucho.
     
  16. um_chili

    um_chili Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    Losanjealous
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Porto 3:2 Celtic

    This game rocked. End to end action, plenty of goals, and a great result. Things got a little messy there at the end, but the ten-minute period in which the teams traded goals twice was simply thrilling. Sadly, I had to leave from where I was watching and didn't see the final Derlei winner (which also put him in sole possession of the topscorer prize), but it's a great result. Porto looking great for the triple, and have a chance to win a rare "quadruple" if you add in the European Supercup between it and the winner of the UCL.
     
  17. bestianera

    bestianera New Member

    May 21, 2001
    Valvasone
    the better team won,although Porto had a subpar performance. But Celtic Glasgow are too poor of a side,save for the Swede. Classic british football: high pace,hard fouls,low skills,catenaccio.
    i've seen the idiots on the UEFA board are trying to taint Porto's victory for the supposed delay of time.
    I say don't pay attention to them,it's the usual classless,jealous reaction of british and british-sympathizing fans.

    congratulations to Porto supporters
     
  18. jumhed

    jumhed Member+

    Mar 26, 2001
    London
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    I'm a neutral, but I have to say that the constant diving and rolling around as if shot, by Porto's players was an absolute disgrace. They helped personify the antics loathed by those in the British Isles. And for a team as talented as Porto (Celtic being made up of EPL rejects (barring the amazing Larrson)), is it really necessary?
     
  19. jumhed

    jumhed Member+

    Mar 26, 2001
    London
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Classless and jealous? Did you see Baia's ridiculous dive at the end, then he rolled around for 3 minutes. Subsequent replays showed he wasn't even touched. and that's just one example of Porto's constant cheating. As I said before, Porto are an amazing team and don't need to resort to such tactics. It makes them look like they need to do it to win, when they don't.

    And your own league (Ital) is the most boring, crappy, defensive-minded pile of shyte ever. What is the point of spending millions on strikers if the teams are going to spend 80-85 minutes defending?
     
  20. um_chili

    um_chili Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    Losanjealous
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I dispute that, before the second Derlei goal, there was significant diving by Porto. From what I could see, Celtic was playing a substantially more physical game than Porto and, based on replays, most of the reactions seemed legit.

    As for after the second Derlei goal, you're probably right that there was some overreaction as a form of time-wasting. Can't defend it, it's not something I like to see, but in fairness I don't see how a couple extra minutes would have made much difference to a tired Celtic team down one man.

    Another point to consider is that it may just be a matter of cultural difference. Latin football* tends to be more theatrical--more diving, perhaps, but also more lively attacking play. The Brits can't be criticized for diving as much (though it's by no means unheard of) but as a result their stolid, stiff-upper-lip style of play tends to be less lively and to be fair, has its own share of frustrating, vaguely unsportsmanlike tactics (more back-passes, booting the ball out of play, and the like).

    *With the peculiar exception of Italian calcio and the whole catenaccio tradition.
     
  21. JJ Mindset

    JJ Mindset Member

    Dec 7, 2000
    I thought it was an interesting game. Too bad there had to be controversies at so many big matches. Whatever.

    Celtic had the possession and could've won the match outright if not for an unfortunate deflection in the first half and a cheeky play in the second half. However, it was becoming apparent that Porto had the better players and that decided the match.
     
  22. bestianera

    bestianera New Member

    May 21, 2001
    Valvasone
    kiss my catenaccio,loser!
     
  23. HuntKop

    HuntKop Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 15, 2002
    Sulla mia Vespa
    Club:
    ACF Fiorentina
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Regardless of the result tonight, there are countless reasons to thrilled at being a Celtic supporter.

    The foremost??? Class. Only one team on the pitch showed it tonight, and they weren't wearing blue. Porto played well, but that was overshadowed by the ridiculous play-acting. Did Porto win because they "cheated"? No. But it was a cheap way to grab the trophy...and I'm glad Celtic didn't resort to such tactics.

    For those of you who support Portugese football - I hope you enjoy this pish! Having to watch one team at a time disgrace the game is bad enough (and we've seen it twice now with Boavista and Porto), but having two play-acting sides working against each-other has got to be horrible...I feel for the lot of you.

    Before you jump on me for being a "jealous, and classless British football apologist," take a deep breath, think about the match, and admit it. Porto acted in a very unsportsmanlike manner, and it diminished the glory of winning a great trophy. Too bad, really.
     
  24. F Cunha III

    F Cunha III New Member

    Oct 17, 2001
    NYC Metro Area
    congratulations to Porto, too bad we miss Postiga, Jankauskas, and Costinha early in the game

    Viva ao Porto
     
  25. um_chili

    um_chili Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    Losanjealous
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I won't say anything about whether either team on the pitch had more class, but it's obvious that complaining supporters like you who can't admit their team was deservedly beaten have no class at all.
     

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